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"When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children." - Matthew 27:24-25

I came across this yesterday as I was doing my daily devotions, and cried as I do practically every time I come across it for it seems that this is just as it is, the children pay the price for their parent's rejection of the LORD - for their conscious decision to reject the LORD and choose sin.

My heart is hurting right now as I write this for I have a friend that has recently chosen to reject that which the LORD has shown her and I can already see the changes in her children - and it is most distressing. And now she hates me, and can not stand to be around me, and has shielded her children from me.

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I have the utmost respect for Zac Poonen, and I have not listened to his message on generational curses but I plan on doing so.

Have you ever considered that as intercessors we pray and repent about many things that happened in the past that we had nothing to do with that have given principalites and powers a legal right over nations?

The enemy doesn't play fair. He will take every bit of ground that we give to him. Jesus Christ has won the victory. Our faith is in the finished work of Jesus Christ. The devil is defeated, but through ignorance of a large segment of The Church the devil has gained much ground in many areas of our lives.

The Lord has said that whatever we bind on earth would be bound in heaven. Whatever we loose on earth would be loosed in heaven. God is not going to bind it and He is not going to loose it. We are to proclaim the victory of Jesus Christ and to do the work of the Lord, who was sent to destroy the works of the devil.

Mike


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 Re: SCRIPTURAL TEACHING ON GENERATIONAL CURSES by Zac Poonen

The Bible mentions “generational curses” in several places (Exodus 20:5; 34:7; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 5:9). It sounds unfair for God to punish children for the sins of their fathers. However, this is looking at it from an worldly perspective. God knows that the effects of sin are passed down from one generation to the next. When a father has a sinful lifestyle, his children are likely to have the same sinful lifestyle as well. That is why it is not unjust for God to punish sin to the third or fourth generation – because they are committing the same sins their ancestors did. But they are being punished for their own sins, not the sins of their ancestors. The Bible specifically tells us that God does not hold children accountable for the sins of their parents...... "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.(Deuteronomy 24:16). This cannot be refuted......enough said.

There is a trend in the church today to try and blame every sin and problem on some sort of generational curse. This is simply not biblical. The cure for generational curses is salvation through Jesus Christ. When we become Christians, we are new creations. "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come."(2 Corinthians 5:17). How can a child of God still be under God’s curse? "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."(Romans 8:1) The cure, then, for a “generational curse” is faith in Christ and a life consecrated to Him (Romans 12:1-2).


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 Re: SCRIPTURAL TEACHING ON GENERATIONAL CURSES by Zac Poonen

A few questions to ponder related to this topic:

Why are genetic inherited diseases not cured at conversion to Christ?

Are genetic inherited disease is a curse or blessing?

Why are Christians not 100% in perfect health at conversion?

Doug


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I pray that we are not seeing all diseases as curses from GOD.

Disease in this day and age are from many environmental factors as well and the damage to the DNA from these environmental causes can be passed to our children - even through vaccines.

Why do Christians 'develop' diseases after Salvation? Is it always a curse or demonic? The Scriptures refute that belief clearly. Timothy had frequent infirmities. Others that Paul worked with got sick. Many of the greatest men of GOD that walked this earth were not in the best of shape physically - so whatever genetic weaknesses that were causing their weaknesses can be passed to their children - such as Viet Nam and Gulf war Vets, etc..

Blanket questions or answers can cause much unnecessary fear and condemnation for any having infirmaties.

To label ALL inherited infirmities as a curse from GOD is not good medical science as well. What counts is what caused this weakness in that particular family.

And, is perfect health a sign of being blesssed and not cursed of GOD?

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Why are Christians not 100% in perfect health at conversion?

They are! Their spirit once in darkness is now in total health with the Father, born again not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible by the word of God that liveth and abideth forever.

Fleshwise, the flesh was not apart of the redemption plan. When measuring the temple the outer court was left out, only the Soul and Spirit were measured. This flesh will one day find a hole somewhere and climb in and decompose, while the soul and spirit go to be with Christ. For the christian the flesh is a hindrance, yet we like to pamper it as well, when it gets into trouble we pray for it. "Oh God, don't let me die' :-)

 2011/1/24 9:57
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Fleshwise, the flesh was not apart of the redemption plan.



So redemption at the cross is only for the Soul, Spirit and NOT for the body?

This must be why pastors addicted to porn, Christians get cancer, heart attacks, strokes, and are dead before 70-80...

What good it is to God or our families if we die before 70-80?

How can God use us if we are in heaven if we are dead before we are supposed to be used by Him before our time on earth?

Doug




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Why do Christians 'develop' diseases after Salvation? Is it always a curse or demonic? The Scriptures refute that belief clearly.



Can you show me? Thanks. Doug


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And, is perfect health a sign of being blessed and not cursed of GOD?



This thread is about generational curses. If our parents or grandparents were FreeMason's or into the Occult and the sin was NEVER repented of in the family generation, how do you believe that the sin would never be passed down the family line? Do we believe in what God says about the 3rd-4th generation?

Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;


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I was listening to Derek Prince this morning and he was talking about having a debilitating heart problem that killed 99% of others who had it and he asked the Lord what had happened (because he lived and taught healing).

He said the Lord gave him several images of him sitting a tables full of food. He knew he was sick because of self-indulgence. He repented, stopped indulging and was healed.

Some people might have called that heart problem hereditary but he knew that it came from his lifestyle and it took him almost dying for the Lord to get his attention to stop.

Listening to him this morning has gotten my attention as well. How much of our own problems are our lifestyle? our depression? our stubbornness? Just asking!

God bless,
Lisa


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