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 Re: Saint or sinner


Hi Doug,

Here's the next part of my reply.

Further up this page you wrote via Approved:

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'...I replied to AtG when after her last post to me when for the first time in several posts and PM's from her she was not making accusations of how I am wrong about everything or some sort of warning of blatant disregard for scripture or worshiping idols?'

I have checked my email account. The last time we corresponded was last year. Any PMs were prior to that.


I would appreciate your acknowledgment of this, publicly.



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 2011/1/15 14:08









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Dear Doug,

These are the last points I wish to raise at this time. I hope you will take them on board sincerely, as food for thought at least.

You said

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I do not have a signs and wonders ministry but a ministry of teaching the truth that has been witnessed by signs and wonders that have been seen by others. Anyone else who preaches the truth will also have some sort of miracles that give witness to the presence of the truth at work.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye ... 20 are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Near the end of His ministry, Jesus Christ the Son of God said to His disciples: John 20:21 '... Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you. John 20.


We each have a place in the body of Christ. We are called upon to fulfil the function which God, by the Holy Spirit, has allocated to us. 'Some' only, are apostles (Eph 4).

Your claim to apostleship - that is, of being sent by the Father of Jesus Christ our Lord - can be judged by its similarity to that of the first apostles. This ought, of course, to include that you teach what Jesus Christ taught (1 Tim 6), and, the apostles' doctrine (Acts 2), and don't depart from all of God's word.

All is well, until you make up your own rules, your own dcotrine, and reject the claims made for faith in Jesus Christ historically and in scripture. At the point of your dispute with their testimony, observers have grounds to doubt you are a disciple of the Jesus Christ of the Bible, whose followers most joyfully proclaim:


Jesus was slain for me
At Calvary
Crowned with thorns was He
At Calvary
There He in anguish died
There from His opened side
Poured forth the crimson tide
At Calvary

Pardoned is all my sin
At Calvary
Cleansed is my heart within
At Calvary
Now robes of praise I wear
Gone are my grief and care
Christ bore my burdens there
At Calvary

Wondrous His love for me
At Calvary
Glorious His victory
At Calvary
Vanquished are death and hell
Oh, let His praises swell
Ever my tongue shall tell
Of Calvary

 2011/1/15 14:13
mguldner
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"Your response is normal and I am counting on it being a common one if my book ever sells more than just a few "by chance" copies...... for sure satan will want to stop the truth from getting out and the best way to top the truth is to cast doubt on the one who is telling it."


What Alan is asking for isn't unresonable but is quite scriptural in nature. I find it interesting that when one is testing the spirits of your post you accuse them of something far off from their intentions. Alan clearly wishes to clear up any doubt that others may have. If you have fear of being disproven or proven a liar then it would make sense that you don't wish to bring out witnesses. If you have no reason to fear this then witnesses should be no problem and one would think the individual would be eager to show his witnesses to prove himself all the more.


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 2011/1/15 17:13Profile
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Dear Doug,

On reading your latest post, I'm even less clear of the claim you make for your relationship with the Jesus Christ of the Bible, His teachings, and, His example.

Here's what I mean:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

In regard to how you react to opposition, and your implied satisfaction at the deaths of those you claim opposed you - even attributing them to God - I am shocked. The Sermon on the Mount is the most fundamental of Jesus Christ's teachings, and near the beginning, He puts:

Matthew 5:10 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you FALSELY, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Later, the apostles experience this joy, in Acts 5:41 And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.


Now, your reaction to makrothumia's last post bears no resemblance to the historical facts of Jesus Christ's miracles, all of which were conducted with witnesses - usually many. Even when Peter raised Tabitha in Acts 9, he returned her alive to a group of people who knew she had died, who had expressly called upon him to pray for her. Yet your attribution to Alan is both baseless amd embarrassing:
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your chance to try to prove me to be a liar

It's one thing being bound by copyright; it's another to assume everyone is against you.



Dear AtG

In your last post I saw some ecouragement that I complimented upon that was hopefully going to lead into more understanding of the truth on your behalf...... unfortunately that is not the case

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In regard to how you react to opposition, and your implied satisfaction at the deaths of those you claim opposed you - even attributing them to God - I am shocked.



This statement of your is total baloney and that is saying it kindly

I never said that anybody died for opposing me and in the name of Jesus I rebuke you for this false accusation........ what I did say and did so so clearly that to say otherwise proves that your intention is not to speak the the truth but to deceive others. He died because God removed His covering from him for peaking against the truth and not for speaking against me

For that matter the specific person that I was speaking of (he is not alone) had been a mentor of mine whom I spent months with proving line upon line and precept upon precept a doctrine of God that had not yet been revealed to him......... but FYI knowledge wise he was light years beyond you or anyone else here who has contributed to this thread........ so far beyond that there is no one here who deserves to have their name mentioned in the same paragraph that his name is even referred to.

When I looked at your last accusation of me taking delight in a persons death when instead I wept and to the best of my ability I have financially assisted the widow of my former mentor...... Besides me spending months trying to get him to see the truth that God had revealed to me, he was well warned that if he did not change his plans he would die because God had already given me the word how and where he would die (on a mission in Africa and at the hands of a witch doctor) that came true and was posted online by an associate of his. His widow is very well aware that I was right about everything and has stated so......... now that he finally does know the truth but is no longer with us I have often prayed that he be forgiven as I have forgiven him

However this accusation of me taking delight is really ugly and only a twisted mind could come up with such an accusation

You certainly do need to deal with it!!!!!!!!

Doug

 2011/1/16 7:57Profile
hmmhmm
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I will lock this thread, you have discussed for 100+ posts and not come to an "end" and i am sure we could post 100+ post more and we would be in the same place. And from what i have read the majority are not posted with an emphasis that is "up building" for the readers.

It seem it is becoming more "you said" and "i said" and it continues, and misunderstandings etc.




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CHRISTIAN

 2011/1/16 8:41Profile
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What Alan is asking for isn't unresonable but is quite scriptural in nature. I find it interesting that when one is testing the spirits of your post you accuse them of something far off from their intentions. Alan clearly wishes to clear up any doubt that others may have. If you have fear of being disproven or proven a liar then it would make sense that you don't wish to bring out witnesses. If you have no reason to fear this then witnesses should be no problem and one would think the individual would be eager to show his witnesses to prove himself all the more.



mguldner

Tell me something

Do you have any knowledge at all .of how professional businesses go about their work?

On the copyright page it clearly states that the publisher handles all inquires concerning the author........ you, your friend here or anyone else will just have to get in line and do things in the order that they are done

Do you remember a book a few year back that had title something like a "million little pieces" where the author made a claims that turned out to false? Oprah had picked him and his book for her recommended read list consequently the book became a best seller.

However when doubts and proof of lies came up it was his publisher that stripped of his awards and fame...... One thing publishers do not tolerate is authors that are liars because if they did they would loose all of their credibility and become like all the D and X rated publications you find in checkout lanes when you leave a grocery store

Now try being realistic for a change.........Why would you think for a second with all the lies and false accusations that have been made against me here that I would go against protocol and upset my publisher just to please the likes of some of the members here?

Alan has the right to ask what he does however he would accomplish far more by rooting out the sin that already is rank within some of the members here because as Paul said a little leaven will leaven the whole lump....... For sure the sin that exists within this site is contributing to why a simple scriptural doctrine like the Law of Sin living within christians is being not being accepted.

Starting with getting rid of the sin here would be the first step to seeing signs and wonders being done by the members here.

Doug

 2011/1/16 8:50Profile





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