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Lets also be sure not to forget the other extreme as well. Martin Luther said it best: “Satan, the god of all dissension stirs up daily new sects. And last of all which of all others I should never have foreseen or once suspected, he has raised up a sect such as teach that men should not be terrified by the law, but gently exhorted by the preaching of the grace of Christ.”

It was A. W. Tozer that defined heresy as taking a biblical truth too far or when you teach one truth at the neglection of other truths.

 2004/11/11 22:27

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It was A. W. Tozer that defined heresy as taking a biblical truth too far or when you teach one truth at the neglection of other truths.

Tozer, you are the MAN!

 2004/11/12 6:41Profile

Joined: 2004/8/28
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Clinch Mountain, Virginia


Amen and Amen. Although he never claimed as being such, Tozer was considered -- even in his lifetime -- to be a full blown prophet? If nothing else, he had a tremendous gift of discernment and insight. Many of the things he predicted 40 years ago are coming true today. Everyone should read his book, "The Knowledge Of The Holy." Yes, indeed. He IS the man...

But also a man among many.

Ed Price

 2004/11/12 6:57Profile

Joined: 2004/8/5
Posts: 226

 Re: Christians can be the most hateful people on this earth


shazbot wrote:
My church has a ministry designed to help new Christians change their ways, i.e. help against alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, and homosexuality. Recently, my church was picketed by a hate group,, that said that our pastor and all our members were going to burn in hell for all eternity because we have a ministry to help reform people who are caught up in homosexuality. They brought large, brightly-coloured signs with very offensive slogans and pictures, and shouted extremely hateful things at us.

Praise God for you! For your care and concern!
Luk 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
Luk 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

It may be hard when you are faced with hatred like this. But pray the Holy Spirit will help you see it is the enemy of your soul driving these people just as he drove those at the foot of the cross to mock Jesus. It is an attack of the enemy, and the poor souls he uses to lash out at you are already condemned. They deserve pity and prayer. I remember how blind to the truth I was before I got under conviction, and the Lord started opening my eyes.
Heb 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way;

Don't be offended, oh, rejoice!!!!! This is evidence you are doing damage to the kingdom of darkness, through the Lord! Again I say REJOICE!!!
IF you were not doing something for God, and if you had nothing of value, the enemy would not be coming against you! Hallelujah!!!!

1Co 4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honorable, but we are despised.
1Co 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling place;
1Co 4:12 And labor, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
1Co 4:13 Being defamed, we entreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2Co 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
2Co 4:9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
2Co 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
2Co 4:11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
2Co 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
2Co 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
2Co 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
2Co 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
2Co 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Let nothing discourage your or seperate you from the Love of God! His grace is sufficient. We are complete in him. He is all we need. Nothing can come against us he can't handle! I will remember you in prayer, that the Lord will lift you up and comfort you with his presence! You might think your situation is depressing, but oh, it rejoiced my heart to know there are those with the courage to stand up for our Beloved Lord. Thank you.... so much.....
When you can, read Ps. 37, and Ps. 22.
In Christ!


 2004/11/13 14:59Profile

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Independence, Missouri


The people brought children, some of whom looked as young as five or six, with them to hold up some of the offensive signs. My uncle blurred out the young ones' faces as a sign of respect.

These people also recently protested the Billy Graham Crusade in Kansas City. I believe they were from Topeka Kansas. They stood in a place that every person that pulled into the stadium at the main entrance had to look at them. They had signs even saying things like, "Your Pastor is Lying to You!" and all sorts of stuff. i would be interested on hearing a little more about what they are about as what I saw was quite disturbing.

God Bless,


Robert Wurtz II

 2004/11/13 15:09Profile

Joined: 2004/10/16
Posts: 528


They had signs even saying things like, "Your Pastor is Lying to You!" and all sorts of stuff. i would be interested on hearing a little more about what they are about as what I saw was quite disturbing.

You can check out their website Robert, but I guarantee you will be extremely grieved reading what they "preach" in the name of Christ.............Blessings, Cindy


 2004/11/13 16:05Profile

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