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shazbot
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 Christians can be the most hateful people on this earth

My church has a ministry designed to help new Christians change their ways, i.e. help against alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, and homosexuality. Recently, my church was picketed by a hate group, Godhatesfags.com, that said that our pastor and all our members were going to burn in hell for all eternity because we have a ministry to help reform people who are caught up in homosexuality. They brought large, brightly-coloured signs with very offensive slogans and pictures, and shouted extremely hateful things at us.

Their reasoning behind this is that homosexuals cannot be saved, nor can any sinners. It is the (disputable) doctrine of absolute predestination taken to the extreme. Therefore they believe that all sinners are not of the chosen few of God and are automatically condemned to hell with no possibility of repentence.

As much as Jesus preached love and mercy, why do groups such as the one mentioned turn Christianity as an excuse to hate? I am deeply saddened and offended by these people. I am convinced that they are the reason so many of the lost turn away from God-- they don't know much about Christianity, but they do know that they don't want to be like those people.

 2004/11/8 0:00Profile
rocklife
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 Re: Christians can be the most hateful people on this earth

What an amazing testimony, to actually be hated by people is so biblical. What a privilege to endure the suffering and persecution for the Lord Jesus' sake.
Jesus says "Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how they treated the prophets." Luke 6:22-23

It's a blessing and privilege to suffer and be hated for the Lord. Be encouraged Shazbot and take comfort with the words and Spirit of Jesus. He knows suffering and persecution, and He promises to be with you and your church as they endure. You are blessed in suffering. Keep close to Jesus, His word and His Spirit of truth and holiness.


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Jina

 2004/11/8 0:09Profile
rocklife
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The title of this is called "Christians can be the most hateful..." is kind of a strange title. There are many goats among the sheep, and God knows them. But as we know God's heart more and more, we will come to hate what He hates, and the bible tells us we are to hate evil (Amos 5:15, Psalm 97:10, Prov 6:16), so it is biblical to hate. But if "christians" hate things they shouldn't, I would doubt which god they are disciples of, probably the god of this world. Unloving religious people are often the biggest objectors to preaching the gospel and speaking truth (they killed Jesus).
Unfortunately, some can be hateful in ignorance, like christians in Africa who are killing Muslims. Lack of bibles and fruit, we must be patient and prayerful and help our poorer brothers and sisters in Christ who may be acting in ignorance still. Pray for those who persecute you as our Lord Jesus tells us to do. There are weak brothers and sisters who may be acting in immaturity, I ashamedly admit I often do myself. The Lord is good to rebuke, correct, and change in His time as He wills and purposes. We can pray faithfully and patiently and keep close to God.


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Jina

 2004/11/8 0:18Profile
ravin
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It is a Blessing very well put.

 2004/11/8 0:35Profile
Spitfire
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What a privilege to endure the suffering and persecution for the Lord Jesus' sake.


I read a book one time and something I read really stuck with me. I always think of it now when I see people going through difficult times. I like what rocklife has said here. It is indeed a privilege. Here is the quote that stuck with me:

Privileged is an individual who is given an opportunity and a platform to positively effect the life of others.

Your persecution is an opportunity and a platform to positively effect these hateful people. You just have to remember that they need Christ as much as the homosexuals. I will pray for your church today. Love, Dian.

 2004/11/8 5:53Profile
shazbot
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My uncle, the youth pastor here, interviewed the protestors and turned the resulting tapes into a powerful video. I will try to put it up on the Web. If I get it working, I will post a link here.

The people brought children, some of whom looked as young as five or six, with them to hold up some of the offensive signs. My uncle blurred out the young ones' faces as a sign of respect.

 2004/11/10 21:42Profile









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"Their reasoning behind this is that homosexuals cannot be saved, nor can any sinners. It is the (disputable) doctrine of absolute predestination taken to the extreme. Therefore they believe that all sinners are not of the chosen few of God and are automatically condemned to hell with no possibility of repentence."

My goodness. I have studied predestination a little bit but wow I had never heard of that extreme predestination.

If Christ did not come to save sinners, who did he come to save?

It seems they accept 1 Cor 6:9-10 that homosexuals will not go to Heaven, but what about verse 11? "And such were some of you. But you were washed. But you wre santified, but you wre justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."

 2004/11/10 22:38
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If Christ did not come to save sinners, who did he come to save? It seems they accept 1 Cor 6:9-10 that homosexuals will not go to Heaven, but what about verse 11? "And such were some of you. But you were washed. But you wre santified, but you wre justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."



Amen. Some people forget the "and SUCH were SOME OF YOU" part.........Fred Phelp's gang is certainly not reflective of the true Christian. I am grieved every time I hear of his antics "in the name of Christianity". I agree that your church has an opportunity to minister to those who are lost in their own self-righteous sin...........just as lost as the practicing homosexual. May the Lord guide you all in truth and His perfect love. Blessings, Cindy


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Cindy

 2004/11/11 15:01Profile
dougkristen
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There are other extreme groups out there called Christian Identity who belive that only the whites are going to be saved since they are of the "Lost Tribe of Israel". Totaly unbiblical and evil. I have met and known people who believe this and it is very sad for the Christian church of today. We need to be on the alert for seducing spirits!

Grace,
Doug


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a Jesus freak

 2004/11/11 16:49Profile
PastorEdP
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Groups like this -- and that includes the Ku Klux Klan and so-called Muslim extremists -- hide behind reglion to legitimize their passion for hate. Unfortunately, they can be deadly.

Witness to them, by all means. But at the same time, if they do not listen turn and walk away, brushing the dust off our feet as we go, just as Jesus told His disciples to do. There are other souls who need our witness and will at least entertain what we say.


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 2004/11/11 17:38Profile





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