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Christinyou
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Who is this? It is Jehovah God. Joshua 6:2 And the LORD <Y@hovah> said <'amar> unto Joshua <Y@howshuwa`>, See <ra'ah>, I have given <nathan> into thine hand <yad> Jericho <Y@riychow>, and the king <melek> thereof, and the mighty men <gibbowr> of valour <chayil>.

Is this the same Captain Joshua is speaking to in 5:13-15?

Joshua 6:2 And the LORD <Y@hovah> said <'amar> unto Joshua <Y@howshuwa`>, See <ra'ah>, I have given <nathan> into thine hand <yad> Jericho <Y@riychow>, and the king <melek> thereof, and the mighty men <gibbowr> of valour <chayil>.

LORD;
hwhy Y@hovah yeh-ho-vaw'
from 1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God:--Jehovah, the Lord.

Why does everybody want to put the liberating secret which was hidden from all until the revelation of Jesus Christ Given to Paul, "Christ in the believer".

If this was the Christ, would He not be hidden and no one know who He was? I believe this is Jehovah God, not The incarnate Jesus Christ born of a woman with a body God had prepared for Him, for the effective purpose of saving the chosen son's of God by His own sacrifice;-- but Jehovah God appearing in the old testament through out as Jehovah God.
The Same God of Adam, Moses, Abraham, Joshua, David and all others in the old testament.

The only place I believe Christ is mentioned is in "Let us make man in Our Image and the enmity between the Satan seed and the woman's Seed of Christ who wins our victory in salvation. His heralding in all the old testament of His coming and what He would accomplish for Israel. This was no secret, but that which Paul reveals only by direct revelation of Jesus Christ Himself; but the birthing is: Colossians 1:12-16 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And indeed the liberating secret of Christ in a person, or better; another person Christ in the believer. "It is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me", Gal2:20

Colossians 1:21-29 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

This has nothing to do with the siege at Jericho, God was dealing with Israel, They believed because they saw God and miracles and signs, and wonders, "blessed are those who believe and have not seen." This is the Body of Christ which only started after the Cross of Christ and His resurrection, that we might die to sin and live unto life by His life in us, "It is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me". I have not seen like Joshua, but I do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the life I now life I live by the "Faith of the Son of God". His life in me, coming forth as me, by His mighty works that work in me.

No one in the old testament had this wonderful life of Christ in them, by the rebirthing of the Incorruptable Seed of the Father's only begotten Son, Jesus Christ in the believer, a new creation race of God's sons.

In Christ: Phillip


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The term Christophany doesn't EXACTLY mean Jesus, (IE the one born of Mary) but it is referring to the one we call Jesus, namely the Son of the Trinity, before He took on a fleshly body and the earthly name, Jesus.

This could not be God the Father. YHWH yes, but the Father part of YHWH no, as John 1:18 states that no one has seen God (the Father). Yet when we look at other Christophanies throughout the Old Testament (Genesis 18, the section we're talking about now in Joshua, and especially Judges 13 are some fantastic examples of this), it clearly says that men have seen YHWH, but since John says that no man has seen God (the Father), who were they seeing when it said YHWH?

What was Jesus's name before He was incarnate 2000 years back? Before men's mouths were created? Before words were known? I would speculate that it probably wasn't Jesus.

What Jesus says to Nathanael in John 1:48 is especially telling, and goes beyond just the mere fact that Jesus literally saw him sitting under a fig tree. Symbolically He was more than likely referring to looking through time from the Garden of Eden (traditionally the Jews believe the tree of life was/is a fig tree) when He used to walk there with Adam, meaning more likely that He saw Nathanael from creation. It really is an interesting study. You don't have to accept any of this, but it is worth looking into, and could bring out a lot of depth in these Old Testament accounts of His appearing.

John 12:41
These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and He spoke of Him.

Spoke of whom? God the Father who the same author said no man has seen, or perhaps someone else? In context John is talking about Jesus, so there's more than just the account in Genesis of Him being mentioned in the Old Testament.

Again, a fascinating study if you're up to the task.

 2010/11/23 2:32
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I suggest you check out this link - it explains better then what I can.

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/yhwh.htm

The bottom line is that the LORD we read much about in the OT is none other then the pre-incarnate Jesus. Once the reality of this sinks into your mind and soul, you are left speechless...it will answer more questions for you then you thought you had! It is a WOW moment!

God bless!

ginnyrose

EDIT; After reading it again I noticed that permission is granted to reproduce it so I am copying the article here.

Jesus, the YHWH of the Old Testament

--Dan Corner--

Jesus, el YHWH del Antiguo Testamento

Permission to reproduce this article is hereby granted, but only in its entirety, including author's
name and ministry address at the end of the article, and without any alterations.

As someone once stated, Jesus of Nazareth is either Lord, liar or lunatic. For those of us who know that the Bible is the inspired word of the living God, we come to a most important verse regarding the Lord Jesus’ identity, which many overlook. Jesus taught:

And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form (John 5:37).

What an amazing statement for those to ponder who are aware of the Old Testament (OT). The reason is because people did hear God’s voice and see his form! How then could Jesus say it was NOT the Father that they heard or have seen! Was Jesus mistaken at John 5:37 or could there be another explanation regarding who was heard and seen as God in OT times?

Please ponder the following Scriptures which prove that YHWH was heard in OT times:

Then the LORD came down in the cloud, and spoke to him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and placed the same upon the seventy elders; and it happened, when the Spirit rested upon them, that they prophesied, although they never did so again (Num. 11:25).
Did any people ever hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as you have heard, and live? (Dt. 4:33)

And you said: Surely the LORD our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire. We have seen this day that God speaks with man; yet he still lives. Now therefore, why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die. For who is there of all flesh who has heard the voice of the living God speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived? (Dt. 5:24-26)

According to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die (Dt. 18:16).

Yet other Scriptures teach that YHWH was seen in OT times:
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved” (Gen. 32:30).
Then Moses went up, also Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel. And there was under His feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and it was like the very heavens in its clarity. But on the nobles of the children of Israel He did not lay His hand. So they saw God, and they ate and drank (Ex. 24:9).

And Manoah said to his wife, “We shall surely die, because we have seen God!” (Judges 13:22).

So the LORD became angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned from the LORD God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice (1 Kings 11:9).

So I said: “Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, The LORD of hosts” (Isa. 6:5).

I speak with him face to face, Even plainly, and not in dark sayings; And he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses? (Num. 12:8).

God was both seen and heard in OT times, yet by Jesus’ authority it was not the Father! Who then was it? Consider also John 1:18:
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.
Jesus and Paul

The Lord Jesus shocked the unbelieving Jews in his day when he identified himself as the YHWH of the OT by identifying himself as the "I am" that appeared to Moses in Ex. 3:13,14. That OT Scripture reads:
Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, ‘What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?" God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.' "
Jesus revealed his identity, as he stated that he himself spoke to Moses at John 8:58:
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
Then later, the Apostle Paul stated the following:
They [the Israelites] were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. (1 Cor 10:2-4)
If you would read through the OT, YHWH is shown to be the rock:
I will proclaim the name of the LORD. Oh, praise the greatness of our God! He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he. (Deut. 32:3,4)
Comparing the OT With the NT

Another similar kind of enigma for some comes from comparing OT Scriptures to New Testament (NT) Scriptures. Closely compare the following sets of Scriptures to learn more about the true, hidden identity of Jesus of Nazareth:
The voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the LORD; Make straight in the desert a highway for our God (Isa. 40:3).
In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.” This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: “A voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him’” (Mt. 3:1-3).

According to Matthew, the prophet Isaiah wrote about John the Baptist, who was to prepare the way for the Lord, or as Isaiah wrote the LORD (YHWH). Yet, it was John who prepared the way for Jesus:
I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire (Mt. 3:11).
John prepared the way for Jesus, according to Matthew, but Isaiah says John, who he called the voice, prepared the way for YHWH!
Lord of lords

There is more for you to consider. In Dt. 10:17, we read:
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes (Dt. 10:17).
Note: according to the OT Scripture, YHWH is not only God, but also Lord of lords. Yet in the NT we clearly read that Jesus is Lord of lords:
They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers (Rev. 17:14).
Furthermore, the NT reveals that the King of kings and Lord of lords is God:
which God will bring about in his own time--God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords (1 Tim. 6:15).
Who then is the Lord of lords? The OT says YHWH is Lord of lords, but the NT claims the same for Jesus! Can there be two who are Lord of lords?
Was YHWH ever pierced?

Next, let’s consider who was pierced. In the NT, we read the following about Jesus:
Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,” and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced” (John 19:34-37).
The only Scripture that John could have been referring to when he wrote, “... as another scripture says, ‘They will look on the one they have pierced’ ” is the following one:
And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son (Zech 12:10).
YHWH spoke those words through the prophet Zechariah, as is apparent if we would read from Zech. 12:1 down through verse 10. Note: YHWH is speaking and uses the word me in conjunction to being the one that gets pierced. Yet the Apostle John referred to the same Scripture (Zech 12:10) and says that it was fulfilled when Jesus was pierced on the cross by the Roman soldier’s spear! Who was pierced, YHWH or Jesus? Since Jesus is YHWH this puzzle is solved, along with John 5:37.
A Stone That Causes Men To Stumble

Another similar problem for some arises when we compare Isa. 8:13,14 to something that the Apostle Peter wrote! The following is the passage from Isaiah:
The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread, and he will be a sanctuary; but for both houses of Israel he will be a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall. And for the people of Jerusalem he will be a trap and a snare (8:13,14).
Question: Did Isaiah the prophet say that YHWH will be a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall? Clearly he did. Why then do we read the following about Jesus?
Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone,” and, “A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for (1 Pet. 2:7,8).
Is YHWH or Jesus a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall? Or why did the Apostle Peter refer to a Scripture that was written about YHWH Almighty and make it apply to Jesus? Are all these contradictions or is Jesus YHWH?
All Things Were Created For Whom?

There is yet more to consider. Were all things created for YHWH or Jesus? Ponder this:
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil (Prov. 16:4).
But the Apostle Paul wrote the following about Jesus:
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him (Col. 1:16).
Then we have this passage:
So I said: “Do not take me away, O my God, in the midst of my days; your years go on through all generations. In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded. But you remain the same, and your years will never end” (Psa. 102:24-27).
That, too, is a problem for some when it is compared to the following passage written about Jesus:
But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom .... He also says, In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end (Heb. 1:8,10-12).
Psa. 102:24-27 is written about the eternal God, but the same Scripture is applied to Jesus in the NT! How can this be unless Jesus is YHWH?
First and Last

According to the following, the First and the Last is YHWH, the Almighty:
This is what the LORD says--Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God (Isa. 44:6).
Listen to me, O Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last (Isa. 48:12).

Yet Jesus called himself the same in the NT:
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last (Rev. 1:17).
To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again (Rev. 2:8).

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End (Rev. 22:13).

The Savior

Who is the Savior? The OT declares this:
Declare what is to be, present it--let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me (Isa. 45:21).
YHWH, the righteous God, is the Savior, according to Isaiah. But the NT reveals the Savior to be Jesus, for He alone has the name in which salvation is found:
He is “‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved (Acts 4:11,12).
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world (1 John 4:14).

Our Refuge

In whom are we to take refuge? Clearly, the OT declares it is to be the Son:
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him (Psa. 2:12).
Notice: one is blessed and not cursed to take refuge in the Son. Yet the following Scripture declares another problem for all who reject the deity of Christ:
This is what the LORD says: “Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD. He will be like a bush in the wastelands; he will not see prosperity when it comes. He will dwell in the parched places of the desert, in a salt land where no one lives. But blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD, whose confidence is in him” (Jer. 17:5-7).
Moreover, the Bible is clear to say YHWH is our Refuge:
You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the LORD is their refuge (Psa. 14:6).
The Bible is hopelessly filled with these types of contradictions for all who reject the Trinity and deity of Christ, but for those of us who accept the Scriptures and what they teach about the Lord’s identity there are no problems! Jesus is not the Father, but he is YHWH by nature.
Review Questions

Did the Lord Jesus teach that no one in OT times has ever heard or seen the Father?
Was Jesus teaching the absolute truth when he taught that in John 5:37?
Did anyone in the OT Scriptures ever see the form or hear the voice of YHWH?
Can you name the various people who did?
Is the Bible free of contradictions?
How does that truth compare with John 1:18?
Is YHWH the "I AM" of Exo. 3:13,14?
Did Jesus identify himself as "I AM" (Jn. 8:58)?
Is there any other "I AM" that Jesus could have referred to in the OT other than Exo. 3:14?
Was Christ "the Rock" that accompanied the Israelites in Moses' day?
Is YHWH shown to be the "Rock" in the OT?
Can we compare various sets of OT and NT Scriptures to learn the true, hidden identity of Jesus of Nazareth?
Did Isaiah write that the voice would prepare the way before YHWH?
Was that same voice identified as John the Baptist in the NT?
Did John the Baptist prepare the way before Jesus?
Is Jesus YHWH, but not the Father?
Is YHWH Lord of lords?
Is Jesus Lord of lords
Is Jesus YHWH, but not the Father?
Was YHWH ever pierced?
Did the Apostle John apply that same Scripture which teaches that YHWH was pierced and apply it to Jesus?
Does your understanding of Jesus’ identity allow you to do the same?
Who is the stone that causes men to stumble?
All things were created for whom?
Does Jesus change like part of creation?
Is the first and the last Almighty (Isa. 44:6)?
Is Jesus called the first and the last (Rev. 1:17; 2:8)?
Can there be two who are the first and the last?
Is YHWH the Savior?
Is Jesus the Savior?
Who has the only name is which salvation is found?
Is YHWH our Refuge?
Is Jesus your Refuge?

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/yhwh.htm


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Sandra Miller

 2010/11/23 8:30Profile
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I agree with Sandra and Grant on this, very interesting Study on top of a wonderful revelation that will blow your mind. I realized it about a year ago and was like wow I knew Christ was eternal but this is just crazy. He played an active role not only in the fondations of the earth but He played an active role in your personal creation. That to me is pretty stinking awesome if you ask me. :)

There are others Christophanies throughout the OT that we don't realize are there until you are looking for them, One of which is the story of Shadrach, Meshack, and Badendago (I know terrible spelling on those) But Christ was in the fire as the Fourth person mentioned that was seen in the fire or at least thats how I have interpreted it.


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As I study the OT I find that one reads very little about the Father - most of it is the pre-incarnate Jesus speaking and acting with mankind. Since this is the case, this sheds a lot of light on how one understands Jesus. For example, how does one understand the love of Jesus with His wrath? Is his wrath as great in proportion as his mercy and love? And why so? Does the reality of hell have something to do with it?

Lots of questions, lots of concepts to ponder - enough to keep one busy for the rest of your life! :-)

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Quote:
For example, how does one understand the love of Jesus with His wrath? Is his wrath as great in proportion as his mercy and love? And why so? Does the reality of hell have something to do with it?



That is what I was hinting at earlier thank you sister!


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Is his wrath as great in proportion as his mercy and love?

Surely His love is greater than His wrath, because He would have been justified in simply destroying us all?

 2010/11/24 7:14
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Sory to throw a dampener on things, but we should read psalm 110

1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. 3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. 4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. Psalms 110:1-5 (KJV)

"The Lord" in verse 1 is JHWH and "my Lord" is ADON (ruler). It is JHWH who says to ADON "sit thou on my right hand until..." In verse 4 it is JHWH who has sworn "Thou (ADON) art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek" this as Hebrews teaches is the priesthood Christ takes now at the right hand of God. "The Lord" in verse 5 "at thy right hand" is again ADONAY, and will have a day of his wrath.

Jesus uses these verses to prove to the pharisees that Christ is not the son of David as they thought, but the son of God. The Greek for both "Lords", is KURIOS.

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions. Matt 22:41-46 (KJV)

Peter at pentecost, preaches from the same words to show that the Holy Ghost is now given because God has now made "that same Jesus both Lord and Christ"

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ Acts 2:32-36 (KJV)

The psalm shows JHWH to be God and ADON to be Christ. Jesus shows further that this Christ was and is the Son of God (the Father). Peter shows that Jesus, through death and resurrection has now been raised up to the right hand of the Father and has been made Lord and Christ, until....

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This is indeed a fascinating study, but then again I'm thinking, why are we so surprised? After all, our God is one God, and we all know it.

Deuteronomy 6:4
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Sometimes I have wondered if the practice of calling the members of the trinity "persons" is helpful at all, and particularly whether the scriptures truly support that concept.

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