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Joined: 2010/6/26
Posts: 482

 Re: Re: Can Christ delliver from pornography?

Here is why I am extremely skeptical:

1) You claim that you are "Baptised in the Spirit" and yet "unable to resist" this sin...
There's something awefully wrong here. (1John4:4, 1John5:4)

2) Moreover, you are proposing "another way"...
This is dangerous doctrine, to say the least.

3) In addition, your analogy is unbiblical. If God sends someone to help you, that person won't tell you that Christ can't save you but that a filtering system can! A messenger from God will point to Christ for victory, regardless of the instruments he uses.

4) Thus far, you have only argued against Scripture. You have replied with bitter venom against posts that were filled with the Word of God.

And here is what you are trying to sell: "You don't have the power to overcome sin, and neither will Jesus help you. So, you need to accept the fact that this sin is stronger than you are, and just put a superficial wall around you, so that your deadly sinful passions will not flare up on the computer. Just 50$ a year. You know you can't make it anyways, right? Just give up on Christ."

God is not in this marketing scheme. The Spirit of God points to Christ. You don't speak much of that victory in Christ. In fact, you deny that victory. You falsely say that temptation is greater than what you can bear, which is contrary to the truth that could set people free (1Corinthians 10:13).

I beg with you to consider the problem with your proposal. I am saying this out of love for you, and out of love for the brethren on this forum. I am not against internet filters, except when they cover up evil and turn people away from Jesus Christ.

 2010/11/19 23:17Profile

Joined: 2010/6/26
Posts: 482


Tonight, I am going to bed, not having watched pornography. And why did I not watch pornography?

1) Is it because I was not tempted? No.
2) Is it because a filtering system is keeping me from accessing these websites? No.
3) Is it because someone is watching me and I am afraid of that person finding out? No.
4) Is it because I am stronger than other men? No.

It is because Jesus Christ has saved me. It is because I have received the seal of the Holy Spirit in me, having been born of God, and the mighty Spirit of God has poured the love of Christ in my heart. It is because Christ lives in me. It is because God is mighty to save! And if I am tempted, I will hold on to God's promises, because His promises are true and worthy to be trusted! He has said that He would set me free from slavery to sin; Jesus came to destroy the devil's works. I am free! (Ephesians 1:19-23, Romans 6:18, 2Corinthians 3:17-18, Galatians 5:1, 1Peter 2:16, 1John 3:8, Psalm 28:8)

Oh, praise the Lord, all you his people! Praise His holy Name! Be strong and courageous! Hold on to the Word of Christ, for God will be with you. He will never leave you nor forsake you. Turn to Him for strength! Turn to Him for deliverance!

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and He will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation He will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
(1 Corinthians 10:13)

 2010/11/19 23:41Profile

 Judging my spritual condition??

Are you without sin???? If not why not? Please answer me...are you without sin?

 2010/11/19 23:48

 Re: sleep well

Boy you guys are difficult to love, keep that judgement coming... But I you ever fail to hit the mark? Do you ever experience fear? Do you experience sickness? It's all sin or due to sin. Right? So you do sin do you???

Come on you guys....we all turn to God for deliverance and it comes in His time...sometimes with death of this body and not before...

I seem to be committing some kind of crime. I have stated forcefully that the Church has an has ignored a screaming , scarlet sin and have suggested a way to deal with this. I don't care if you preach filtering or not but I do care if you fail to address the issue of Internet Pornography as Satan and the flesh uses it to savage the body of Christ..... the issue of "blind guides" comes to mind.

For those who have ears to hear let them hear a no over ride version of safeeyes

 2010/11/19 23:58

Joined: 2006/6/28
Posts: 3405
Dallas, Texas


I don't care if you preach filtering or not but I do care if you fail to address the issue of Internet Pornography as Satan and the flesh uses it to savage the body of Christ..... the issue of "blind guides" comes to mind.

I think it's time to say goodnight. Everything needed to be said has been said. You are asked to not create another thread on this topic. Thank you.


Paul Frederick West

 2010/11/20 0:31Profile

Joined: 2009/5/15
Posts: 1042
Pacific Ocean


I think the overwhelming majority of brothers on this thread have clearly, with articulate testimony, and biblical wisdom, shared how Jesus is the one who delivers from wickedness. You asked for our opinion on what we are doing, and we are sharing about our deliverance and you have just called it "preaching."

I think if you are going to come into a room of mechanics, who are all A.S.E. certified and ask them for advice on how to fix your pinging engine, and they all unanimously tell you that you need to replace the whole thing, and you resent the advice and go over to the International House of Pancakes and pour syrup into the engine, well...I guess that is your prerogative.

I used to try to use filters for sanctification...but they NEVER got rid of the lust in my heart, the only good they serve in my opinion is as a buffer of protection to prevent unwanted temptation. It was not until I completely trusted in the work of the cross, that I was delivered from my sin. I now hate it with a vengeance. I now have a covenant with my eyes, so that when I know that no one even knows but the Lord, and something tempting comes before me, I avert mine eyes and I turn to gratitude and prayer. This has been a consistent theme in my life for many many years now. This is not exagerative, and I boast in nothing but the cross and its radical power.

If you truly truly want to use a biblical form of aestheticism that Jesus advocated, and to my knowledge, very few ever have. Then chop off your hand and gouge out your eyes, for it is better to enter heaven without them than to go into hell with them.

The pharisees kept asking the blind man how he got healed, and who healed him. All the blind man could say was..."I was blind but now I see."

It seems to me as if you are not willing to listen to the eyewitness testimony from many brothers, and you depreciate the cross.

Now for a few Scriptures. As one of the moderators has requested discretion in how this is discussed.

"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done in secret." -Ephesians 5:11-12 Our brother Paul has correctly stated that great caution should be used in how this topic is handled. In other words avoid the explicit at all costs. It is disgusting, it should not be directly discussed, but rather laterally.

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference; And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." -Jude 21-23

In other words, handle fleshly topics like this one with a pair of biblical tongs. Pinch your nose, avert your eyes, and exercise great caution knowing that even the mere mentioning of it can cause great temptation. Focusing on the sin, and responding to it with carnal measures will never help anyone.

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ." Certain men have crept into the church teaching that you can be a christian and can also be lascivious. And they deny Jesus Christ. In another passage it says, "They have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof."

I also agree with Renouncer, your example is un-biblical and not helpful.

Here is how you get help from God as Galatians points out. This is completely my paraphrase into simple language.

One...recognize your sin for what it is. Call it what it is. Lust! That is what the Bible calls it.

Two...Confess it to God. Admit your failure. God only gives grace to the humble, he becomes the enemy of those who think they can solve sin on their own, the prideful ones. (Additional paraphrase help from the book of James.) your faith in Him to deliver you. Confess your great need for his Spirit to deliver you, and he will perfect you. Never, above ALL Things, never excuse your sin. Do not even give it a sliver of day light, shake not its hand. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. not return to the beggarly elements of the law which always included all sorts of external reform.

Five...continue to walk in the Spirit and you WILL NOT fulfill the lust of the flesh.

Six...continue to walk in faith and do not lapse.

Seven...become crucified to the world, and crucify the world to yourself and walk in that.

This is freedom. This is how the just "live" by faith, as Galatians points out.

I appreciate your zeal, I appreciate your passion, but Appolos also had passion and zeal that needed to be re-directed to New Covenant life. Please consider the advice you have been given here. I plead with you out of love to just preach the gospel message of deliverance from sin. That is the gospel.

Jeremiah Dusenberry

 2010/11/20 0:39Profile

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