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beatenpath
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 Thoughts on IBLP Bill Gothard ministries and workshops?

Just wanted to know what are your general thoughts are about Bill's programs and books.

 2010/11/7 3:59Profile
Lysa
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 Re: Thoughts on IBLP Bill Gothard ministries and workshops?

I know nothing of Bill Gothard but I did find these threads on the Puritan board and some red flags went up:

<a href="http://www.puritanboard.com/f24/iblp-bill-gothard-31419/">Are the Teachings of Bill Gothard and the IBLP Biblical?</a>

<a href="http://www.puritanboard.com/f15/whats-wrong-statement-faith-18414/">What's wrong with this statement of faith?</a>


God bless,
Lisa


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 2010/11/7 5:21Profile
beatenpath
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thanks. i've taken a few of their workshops and came out not knowing what i just went through. this was about eight years ago. i only bring this up cuz i was going through my personal library at home the other week and found a spot where i kept their workbooks and realized that some things they tried to explain were really off. but like i said just wanted to know what people thought of their ministry here.

 2010/11/7 5:52Profile
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His teaching is generally good, however the one doctrine of his which is heretical is that he believes that nobody is born with a sin nature.

 2010/11/7 9:57Profile
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His teaching is generally good, however the one doctrine of his which is heretical is that he believes that nobody is born with a sin nature.



I had serious doubts about this statement, so I called our oldest son, who is now 42 YO and read this quote to him to get his reaction. He has attended Basic Youth Conflict seminars and even the advanced one, if I recall correctly.

Lynford said this is not true. His philosophical bent is always that one is dealing with a sinful nature.

I do not know where this idea comes from that Gothard does not believe in that anyone is born with a sinful nature...I know one thing - he holds to doctrinal positions that are not popular with mainstream Christianity, or at least he used to...have not heard much from him in recent years. But then I personally hold to doctrinal positions which flows against mainstream Christianity as well.

Having said all this, I must say that all mens' teaching should be evaluated according to 'what does the WORD say about this issue?' If they conflict with the WORD one must always embrace it and discard man's interpretation. This is why I weary of studying, reading theological works: to much work for the little one learns.

Just thought I would share this...

ginnyrose


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thanks. i've taken a few of their workshops and came out not knowing what i just went through. this was about eight years ago. i only bring this up cuz i was going through my personal library at home the other week and found a spot where i kept their workbooks and realized that some things they tried to explain were really off. but like i said just wanted to know what people thought of their ministry here.



Bill Gothards ministry is tremendous and we fully approve of this brother and his walk with the Lord. Theologically he is sound and don't believe alot of the gossip. He has been characterized by some as a cult and that should not surprise us because Jesus christ our savior was also accused.

I encourage anyone who hasn't to benifit from this godly ministry. They are very supportive of sermonindex.net and we had our Indiana Revival Conference at their headquarter building in Indianopolis. You can watch the videos here:

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 2010/11/7 17:58Profile









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We have many around us that promote IBLP and Bill Gothard. Lots of red flags have gone up just in knowing these brothers and sisters in Christ. I could tell you some stories that would break your heart because they would rather follow Gothard than the Lord, but they don't see it that way.

I was so concerned I looked for a book where his teachings would be checked out and it was hard to find one, but then I did, and it is a gem. I bought a book called "A Matter of Basic Principles, Bill Gothard and the Christian Life" and it answered all my questions and confirmed the red flags and more.


Here is the book and written endorsements by other Christian leaders and some insiders who were on the board.

You will be shocked.

http://www.midwestoutreach.org/02-Information/01-AvailableResources/GothardBookEndorsements.html


After my wife and I read this book, we understood much better why the Gothardites around us did what they did. They were taught it that way by Bill.

This book is not based on gossip. It carefully and responsibly documents everything.

 2010/11/7 18:05
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As I look back I am so very grateful for the positive influence Gothard had on our culture. This deals in the area of courtship.

When we were teens the young people did casual dating. Occasionally you had a fellow who tried to see how many different girls he could get a date with. And we girls liked to have dates - the more fellows who asked you out the more popular you were. And who did not want to be popular?

During all this time, we were taught principles of moral purity: no petting, no necking and no kissing until you were engaged and then a good-night kiss was appropriate. And for the most part many youth followed these guidelines. Very few crossed the line into immorality.

Ok, so we dated. Then if the couple liked each other well, they went 'steady'. Then after a while if they loved each other, the fellow proposed marriage to the girl. And if not, they 'quit' and one or the other usually suffered heartbreak. I think Gotherd said this prepared one for a marriage breakup in the future. In any case, it was not a pleasant experience.

Gothard's ministry had a huge impact on this style of dating. He spoke against it.

Casual dating became a thing of the past. The community I grew up in does not practice it and neither do they here. In fact, I do not know where this style of dating is done anymore among our church conference.

And I am glad.

ginnyrose


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We love Bill Gothard's ministry and his influence in our personal lives and family. They encourage christian families to have large families, live Godly holy lives, raise Godly children and much more. I thanks God for men like Bill Gothard.

Doug


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 2010/11/7 23:50Profile









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They have a chapter on courtship. Page 249 in the book is the chapter on courtship. It is called the "Courtship Game".

There is documentation on this and much more and I cannot keep taking quotes out of the book. It is better if you read everything in context. I definitely suggest that you listen to both sides. Don't just listen to one side. More than anything compare what he teaches with the Word.

There is always truth mixed with error otherwise the error would not be accepted.

A thoroughly documented book. I was very impressed by the spirit of good will it was written in, to warn others and also to correct Bill.

When I was looking into IBLP, there was not much on the Internet about him. I just googled "Bill Gothard Teachings" and was shocked to find all the links out there about Gothard.

Here are some:

The Dangerous Leanings of Bill Gothard’s Teachings
http://www.pfo.org/evol-fad.htm

Bill Gothard - General Teachings/Activities
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/gothard/general.htm

The Blinding and Binding Teachings of Bill Gothard
http://www.batteredsheep.com/gothard.html

Basic and Advanced Concerns for the Teaching of Bill Gothard
http://www.wordmp3.com/files/gs/gothard.htm

BENEVOLENT MINISTRY or BONDAGE MAKING?
http://www.pfo.org/bgothard.htm

An Evening with Bill Gothard
http://www.midwestoutreach.org/journals/bill_gothard.htm

More links:
http://www.google.com/search?q=bill+gothard+teachings&hl=en&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&prmd=o&ei=NpzXTM_fK8HflgfJktH9CA&start=30&sa=N

Several on this page.
http://www.midwestoutreach.org/02-Information/02-OnlineReference/04-Etc/01-TheJournal/index.html

http://www.midwestoutreach.org/02-Information/01-AvailableResources/GothardBookEndorsements.html

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