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MyVeryHeart
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{edited} because doesn't edify the body as a whole.

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1 John 4:7-8



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Travis

 2010/9/25 16:25Profile









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by sojourner7 on 2010/9/25 10:20:40 Wesley, Finney, and Leonard Ravenhill are known for being revival preachers. I mentioned St. John of the Cross [and many other early fathers of faith] to show this site is not lopsided toward modern preachers. Still don't know what you are seeking; so it is hard to help you find it!!



What I am "seeking" is to better understand why this site has a far lesser representation of spiritual thought from the entirety of Christian history.

And, no, St. John of the Cross is not an early father in the faith. Not even close. He lived in the later 16th century and was a prominent figure in the counter-Reformation. The Church Fathers would be Clement of Rome and Polycarp through St. John of Damascus. (First seven centuries of Christian history)

Do you see? Where are the large number of Christian spiritual writers from the 100's, 200's, 300's, 400's, 500's, 600's, 700's, 800's, 900's, 1000's, 1100's, 1200's, 1300's?

That's an aweful lot of time. I would love to see this site enriched like that. The amount of material currently on this site would then be....what?...10% of the total amount of material?

You see now?

 2010/9/25 16:43
sojourner7
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Athenagoras writings on the resurrection
of the dead are here, Clement's comments
on Paul's letter to the Corinthian Church
are here, historic confessions, such as
the Apostle's Creed and Nicene Creed are
here, and the epistles of Cyprian of
Carthage are here.

Again, what are you looking for ??


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Martin G. Smith

 2010/9/25 17:02Profile
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Why did the Sanhedrin, with its 1200+ years of tradition stretching back to Moses, crucify the very Messiah that Moses said would come?


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Jimmy H

 2010/9/25 17:05Profile
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 Re: Why no representation of 2k year history?

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I'm just wondering. But why is there SO MUCH material from the past two or three centuries but very few from the past 2,000 years of Christian devotional and theological writing and thought? It is as though the impression this site gives is that it does not have a hermeneutic of continuity back to the days of the apostles. Was the Christian revelation lost?



I do hope you're not here to promote the popish agenda.
Apostolic Tradition is the sorry excuse of those who would seek to usurp the true authority of the Lord Jesus Christ and His word.

The deeply rich spiritual materials of the past few centuries prove what happens when the common man has access to the Scriptures in his own language. From around the sixth century to the sixteenth century the popish clan had control over the Bible and it remained a closed book for the common man.

And please don't try to argue that this means hell prevailed over the church, as we can see today it has not, even though the devil has never stopped trying.

However, without the freedom that comes from the truth the world will always suffer and so those days are aptly referred to as the "dark ages", but the light is never fully extinguished, God always has a remnant who love the truth and the Lord Jesus Christ.

In Christ,

Ron


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Ron Halverson

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And this is wonderful. What am I looking for? OK let me give you a few:

ALL of the Church Fathers
ALL the Doctors of the Church
St. Isaac of Ninevah (the Syrian)
St. John Climacus
St. Maximos the Confessor
More from St. Augustine, St. Ambrose, St. Irenaeus, St. Bede the Venerable, etc.

 2010/9/25 17:21









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by KingJimmy on 2010/9/25 11:05:52 Why did the Sanhedrin, with its 1200+ years of tradition stretching back to Moses, crucify the very Messiah that Moses said would come?



Because they defied that tradition. They liked their own modern traditions better.

 2010/9/25 17:24









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by InTheLight on 2010/9/25 11:18:02 I do hope you're not here to promote the popish agenda.



So let me get this straight. Anyone who wants to see a greater representation of Christian spiritual and devotional thought from every age of the Church is promoting a popish agenda? Posh!

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Apostolic Tradition is the sorry excuse of those who would seek to usurp the true authority of the Lord Jesus Christ and His word.



I didn't use the term "Apostolic Tradition". What is YOUR agenda?

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The deeply rich spiritual materials of the past few centuries prove what happens when the common man has access to the Scriptures in his own language.



Maybe you should be the one to tell the Lord that He should have come AFTER the advent of the printing press. You should inform him that Christianity prior to that could only be a rich man's religion.

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From around the sixth century to the sixteenth century the popish clan had control over the Bible and it remained a closed book for the common man.



Why didn't they simply destroy it? Why did they preserve it for Martin Luther to try and rip James out of it?

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And please don't try to argue that this means hell prevailed over the church, as we can see today it has not, even though the devil has never stopped trying.



It hasn't has it? Well then please explain to me why there is no unity of doctrine among the denominations represented today? Is not right doctrine necessary to lead us to heaven?

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However, without the freedom that comes from the truth the world will always suffer and so those days are aptly referred to as the "dark ages", but the light is never fully extinguished, God always has a remnant who love the truth and the Lord Jesus Christ.



If those were the dark ages, what do we call this time? The darker/darkest ages? During those so-called "dark ages", how much abortion, pornography, blasphemy, body mutilation (tatooing/piercing), adultery, etc. Yeah right!

 2010/9/25 17:46
mguldner
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 Re: Why no representation of 2k year history?

I understand your heart to see balance, I believe there is "unbalance" because a great majority of the resources here are recorded sermons and the like and so unless the Fathers of the Faith had a tape to record themselves they would probably be on here. Also a lot of the writings are from thr 1600 and up because those writings I think are more availible since a great deal of the early Saints writings were destroyed or lost over time. If you would like to see more information from those centuries you might make the suggestion to brother Greg Gordon the founder of the site and make that request known. If you are looking for a great read I would suggest "The Pilgrim Church by E.H. Broadbent it goes over various parts of church history quite well.

I hope that this helped and answered your questions.

God Bless,
Matthew


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Matthew Guldner

 2010/9/25 18:06Profile
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Because they defied that tradition. They liked their own modern traditions better.



And there is no chance whatsoever, that Christians have at times done the same? Even Peter broke with the purity of the gospel at least once during his apostolic ministry. The apostle Paul had to correct him for it.


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