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 Mark Driscoll: A Continuing Saga in the Emergent Church Movement!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Driscoll[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Driscoll]Mark Driscoll[/url]

Sometimes as a christian , we tend to go for movements and such as the Purpose Driven Life Movement or say the Emergent Church but do not realize that these movements change all the time!

I have been working through all the stock at our local christian bookshop and realizing how much the emergent church movement has changed!

The reason I put up this post I suddenly realized how popular he is ! Most of the books against the Emergent Church do not deal with !

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From:http://www.mbla.org/Driscoll_Quotes.htm

Driscoll: Writing for the furtherance of the emerging church:

“Now that the time has come to write, I am presenting this book as a contribution toward the furtherance of the emerging church in the emerging culture.” (Radical Reformission, p.17)

“I invite you to turn the page and begin a radical journey with me as we explore what life in Christ can mean in the context of an emerging church in a changing world.” (Radical Reformission, p.23)

What kind of “gospel” does the emerging church proclaim?

“The emerging church proclaims a gospel of freedom.” (Confessions, p. 25)

Why did Driscoll start Mars Hill Church?

“So I decided to start a church, for three reasons. First, I hated going to church and wanted one I liked, so I thought I would just start my own. Second, God had spoken to me in one of those weird charismatic moments and told me to start a church. Third, I am scared of God and try to do what he says.” (Confessions, p.39)

Driscoll’s vision for his Church:

“I envisioned a large church that hosted concerts for non-Christian bands and fans on a phat sound system, embraced the arts, trained young men to be godly husbands and fathers, planted other churches, and led people to work with Jesus Christ as missionaries to our city.” (Confessions, p.40)

Just a few minor problems in the secular music ministry:

“In its first few years, the Paradox [a secular music ministry of Driscoll’s church] hosted about 650 concerts for about 65,000 kids. We have had only a few minor problems, like the Japanese punk band that got naked during their set for no apparent reason and another band that set off fireworks during their show.” (Confessions, p.127)

No position on stealing?

“Our church services started to stink a whole lot less. We scraped together enough money to buy some big honking speakers, and I stole an unused sound console from my old church along with a projection screen, which were sins that Jesus thankfully died to forgive.” (Confessions, p.62)

Stolen Electricity?

“We never paid for electricity in our office apartment because the building was illegally hooked up to the power grid and all our power was stolen.” (Confessions, p.125)

Driscoll’s R-rated sermons on sex:

“Some of the sermons on sex were R-rated, and we gave warnings to parents and sometimes saw whole visiting youth groups walk out blushing halfway through the sermon. On other occasions, people walked out during the sermon and flipped me off on their way out, a trend that has continued.” (Confessions, p.134)

Just an occasional R-rated movie at church:

“Pastor James continues to lead our monthly film and theology class, at which attendance rises to more than two hundred people depending on the film. He continues to show an occasional unedited R-rated movie to train our people to think critically about the themes preached through film, which is the new cultural form of preaching.” (Confessions, p.157)

A passion for “cool?”

“I had grown facial hair, started cussing again (I had stopped for about fifteen minutes after I got saved), and briefly considered taking up smoking but had asthma, which kept me from achieving my full cool potential.” (Confessions, p.50)

Tithing and cussing issues?

“Apparently, the Ghost only led people to give once every presidential election, and I hit rock bottom one Sunday when our offering was $137. I stood alone in the room, counting the money and cussing at the offering box for being filled with one-dollar bills and the ominous smell of imminent death.” (Confessions, p.47)

Gambling for God?

“I occasionally bought lottery tickets and promised God I would tithe if he’d let me win, but to no avail.” (Confessions, p.58)

Why does Driscoll continue to be thought of as the “cussing pastor?”

“This season [at church] was messy and I sinned and cussed a lot, but God somehow drew a straight line with my crooked Philistine stick.” (Confessions, p.130)

Teaching the men of Mars Hill the essentials of life:

“We also began a ‘boot camp’ for our young men, teaching them how to get a wife, have sex with that wife, get a job, budget money, buy a house, father a child, study the Bible, stop looking at porn, and brew decent beer.” (Confessions, p.131)

Why the confusion in Driscoll’s church?

“I also did not explain in written form that we were theologically conservative and culturally liberal, which caused great confusion because half of the church was angry that the other half was smoking, while the other half was angry that I taught from the Bible.” (Confessions, p.46)

(Driscoll also writes about being “culturally liberal yet theologically conservative” in his book, “Radical Reformission,” p.22)

Adam and Eve: “Happy, horny [and] holy?”

“The Bible could end right there [in Genesis], after only two chapters, with the man and woman naked, eating fruit, and trying to fill the earth all by their happy, horny, holy selves.” (Radical Reformission, p.28)

Abraham: “a cowardly old man?”

“As time rolls along, God also works through a cowardly old man named Abraham, who is happy to whore out his loving and beautiful antique of a wife to avoid conflict.” (Radical Reformission, p.28)

Driscoll speaks of Mary and Joseph:

“And to top it all off, God comes to earth. He has a mom whom everyone thinks is a slut, a dad whom they think has the brilliance of a five-watt bulb for believing the ‘virgin birth’ line, and brothers who likely pummel him frequently, because even God would have to get at least one wedgie from his brothers if he were to be fully human.” (Radical Reformission, p.29)

Jesus telling “knock-knock jokes?”

“To the religious leaders, Jesus is a scandal – his followers are felons – and every time they see Jesus, it agitates them that he is always surrounded by a crowd, telling knock-knock jokes to miscreants who love his sense of humor (because his perfection had to have included comedic timing).” (Radical Reformission, p.30)

Jesus kicks off His ministry as a “bartender?”

“Anyway, Jesus shows up at the wedding and begins his public ministry. God has come to earth, and he kicks things off as a bartender.” (Radical Reformission, p.30)

A steady diet of the things of this world will make us better missionaries?

“I am encouraging Christians on reformission to involve themselves in their local cultures not merely for the purpose of entertainment but primarily for the purpose of education. As a missionary, you will need to watch television shows and movies, listen to music, read books, peruse magazines, attend events, join organizations, surf websites, and befriend people that you might not like to better understand people that Jesus loves.” (Radical Reformission, p.103)

Driscoll: Repenting of his sin of abstinence from alcohol?

“After I entered the ministry as a man of legal drinking age, the drum was again repeatedly beaten for me by well-meaning older pastors. So I never drank alcohol until I was thirty years of age. About that time, I was studying the Scriptures for a sermon about Jesus’ first miracle of turning water into wine, as reported in John’s gospel, a miracle that Jesus performed when he was about my age. My Bible study convicted me of my sin of abstinence from alcohol. So in repentance I drank a hard cider over lunch with our worship pastor.” (Radical Reformission, p.146)




How do we deal with People like this


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Dominic Shiells

 2010/7/3 18:55Profile
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 Re: Mark Driscoll: A Continuing Saga in the Emergent Church Movement!

This is scandalous! No reverence for a holy God or Jesus...

How do I deal with it? I will buy no books written by this fellow or any of his buddies. Actually, it is coming to the point where too many modern 'inspirational' writings are contaminated with deception that I will not read it, which means I will not buy it.

I do not wonder but that God must grieve...

How do you deal with it?


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Sandra Miller

 2010/7/3 20:10Profile
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Sounds like he needs to really be saved. Romans 6:1-2 and I Peter 1:14-16 are still the truth.


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James

 2010/7/4 1:04Profile
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How do you deal with it?

Well hand them over to Satan and let him do his handy work, God will judge in the end we should definitely be praying for this individual and any and every member of his church.


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Matthew Guldner

 2010/7/4 1:13Profile
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Fruits of hyper-Calvinism, sorry if that ticks anyone off. If you think some of this stuff is bad, you should catch wind of the stuff he says that's not published.

 2010/7/4 10:21Profile
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 Re: Mark Driscoll: A Continuing Saga in the Emergent Church Movement!

A good, devout Christian brother pointed me to Mark Driscoll about a year ago, since then I've listened to maybe 6-7 of his sermons... After reading this, I don't know what to think. I thought Driscoll was good! I've never read any of his books, just heard of him those 6-7 times, but he does hold a place in my iPod Podcast... but for how long now, I'm not sure.


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 2010/7/4 21:26Profile
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This goes to show that a preachers sad attempts to resonate with vulgar pop culture is a poor interpretation of the example of Paul's address on Mars Hill.

Now, I have heard information that seems to indicate that Mark Driscoll has been confronted by men like John Piper and Steve Camp on his coarse and profane speech and that he accordingly repented.

So a question I would have in regards to these quotes is how recent are they?

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 2010/7/4 22:12Profile
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Driscoll has repented of most of those quotes and sadly by quoting only those things it unfairly represents the majority of Mark Driscoll's ministry.

In my opinion his vulgarity seems unwise for a Pastor, but the old time reformers like Luther and the likes were also pretty vulgar. "Respectable sins" of certain cultures tend to get overlooked.

Not to excuse Luther or Driscoll, but we all have our culturally acceptable sins that get overlooked. Again, not to excuse them because of that, but it doesn't seem right to demonize or discredit them because of that either.

God bless

 2010/7/13 23:33Profile
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Not to mention that the emergent "church" is a rebuke to the Church in America.

If the Church was doing what is called to, and walking in obedience, and following the early Church's example, by reaching out and caring for the lost, the emergent "church" wouldn't be so popular.

I do not support the emergent so called "church", but I also see that the American Church needs to wake up and return to it's roots and start getting serious about the Great Commission instead of turning the Church into holy huddle social clubs.

Mark Driscoll tells it like it is, doesn't sugar coat anything, has a strong emphasis on doctrine and obedience, unashamedly preaches the FULL GOSPEL, and is still reaching the lost in a way that most American Churches are not.

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 Re: Mark Driscoll

I have to say that I find Mark Driscoll a real danger to the church especially for women, there may be some things he is doing exceptionally well, but unfortunately his tell it like he sees it is style is damaging and offensive to women. I feel for women who are in his services who listen to him tell them they are not qualified to fullfill God's call on their lives just because they are a woman. The oppressive spirit in which he teaches can only be harmful. Thankfully God has sent Godly men who have been able to speak life affirming words to me and wash away the damage that this man has done to me, but only reading 1 interview! I really hope God and other Christians encourage Mark to consider the words he is using with regards to women in ministry. The harvest is plenty but the workers are few, pray to the Lord of the Harvest to send more workers(mark driscoll would add as long as they are not women!) I would add let us include women as well! I am personally praying for him and really encourage all those who read this to pray for him. And also not to listen to his sermons!

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