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(Oswald Chambers for example) just preached the truth which left all that was "untruth" out in the open for me to see as untruth. I think also you have to be careful because of the rest of the sheep, we do not want to cause anyone to stumble over somehting like this.


yes Oswald Chambers is such a wonderful example of this Chanin, I really see so much stuff that I could post and refrain and I did post this one but I guess God has a purpose in it. I am not sure if you have had a chance to hear the latest sermons of david wilkerson from TSC but he is feeling the from the Lord to cry out against the prosperity gospel. He even knows there are some in his congregation that still hold to it and the teachers and he wants to protect his flock. I think in Gods econonmy there is a time very everything.

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I think it's ok to make people aware as you did, but to continue to knock them and smear and tear down- personally I am uncomfortable with that. I know, that's just me. But, hey, I am learning slowly and patiently to be more Christ-like (I hope).


Yes my intentions are not to mar a person but I did have to point to the obvious, to neglect it on my part would be not right in my conscience. Its a fine line and I hope I have not crossed it, im not out to bash anyone or tear down but the scriptures can be quite blunt with false teaching especially the kind towards prosperity. I think you arent perfect chanin neither am I but I really am encouraged by much that you have to say and not every word is from God but definetly Christ shines through you and its awesome to see! you are right that we need to keep our eyes more on Jesus!


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I am in agreement with you. I think in these types of situations we really need to pray before we post, as to 'what' and 'how' to say things. That it would be honoring to the Lord and come across in truth but also in love. That would make a huge difference.

I think there is definitley a time and a place for someone like Wilkerson to preach against false teachings.(preach on, Brother!) These forums are so different. We are talking about a community here which we should all show respect and consider that there are others here who are not where we may be. I guess "season our words" comes to mind.

Anyway, enough of all that.

By the way, I thought Dian was right on about what she was feeling from the Lord - about her message of holiness. This sounds very familiar ;-)

In His love, Chanin


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Just a thought to consider---Jesus said you judge the prophet by his fruit Matt 7:15-20 pretty straight forward.You judge the message by whether it comes to pass deut 18:15-22 and also by who it makes you draw to , Jesus or something else-- deut 13:1-5 Pretty straight forward.In the new testament I believe while there may be prophets we as God's servants must be like the bereans who searched diligently to see if the things spoken were from God.It's really pretty easy.As to whether what they say comes to pass---it was in context of when they speak a prophetic blessing over you---if that comes to pass then you'll know ect...if not you need not fear them.We are all called to cry the warning of God to a wicked generation.We preach repentance for the remission of sins.In america we hold men in high esteem and by doing that we make them targets.Shame on us! Looking unto Jesus the......


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If a man, who is looked upon as a prophet, is not able to make proper decisions as to what to eat and drink, he is no to be regarded as reliable in a prophetic setting.
Prophecy pertains to personal conduct, to be brought away from the fleshly sphere.


If a man, who is looked upon as a prophet, is not able to make proper decisions as to what kind of fraternities one may or may not take part of, he is no to be regarded as reliable in a prophetic setting.
Prophecy pertains to a wall to be built against the enemy, to be able to discern truth and holiness.


If a man, who is looked upon as a prophet, is not able to make proper decisions as to what kind of order, what kind of setting the prophetic testimony of Christ will have a functional display, he is no to be regarded as reliable in a prophetic setting.
Prophecy pertains to insight into the ways of the Kingdom.

Belonging to a so called prophetic fraternity, set up for mutual endorsement into which one is invited only if one move with the flow breaks the back of the prophetic office as such.
We will end up with court prophets, armchair prophets, stage prophets and limelight prophets, vanity prophets and prosperity prophets.
None of them will ever be able to bring a word from the Lord to a needy people.
A major reason why revival tarries is that we do not care for a genuine prophetic office to be established.
Lars W.


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Meaning that a prophet will be either stoned or his words will be accepted as from the lips of God.



Ok, so if he gets stoned, he is a prophet? If his words are accepted, he is not from God? Cause that's how Jesus said it is.

I agree with Lars. There are way too many "so called prophets" tauting their own agenda. I'm really not trying to be an advocate, necessarily, of Rick Joyner. I just think you may have formed an opinion based on wrong things. The religious leaders of Jesus' day rejected his teachings because he broke the rules of the sabbath and other of their precious lines they had drawn. I think we need to be really cautious about stoning any "prophet". We may paint ourselves into a corner.

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 Re: The Prophetic: some definitions

We seem to come to this topic from time to time and I thought it might be useful to see how the Bible views the prophetic realm. If we get a broad biblical view it may prevent us exalting the 'prophetic' above its right station but will hopefully also show us how 'the prophetic' is an integral part of God's workings with men.

If you would be interested in a gentle biblical introduction please click here:Men Spake from God. Some aspects of the prophetic may surprize you!


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Please allow me to also say this: I was someone who followed the whole "prophetic movement". I totally believed the "prosperity gospel". I have been highly regarded in circles as someone able to hear from God. I was all caught up in their endorsements. God has shown me the truth. But...I am extremely careful about firing off about someone not being from God. I would hate to find the baby laying where I through out the bathwater. I appreciate all of you, truly. You have helped me come to a better balance. All we really want to know is the truth, ain't it? I don't care if it comes from someone with green teeth. ;-)

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If a man, who is looked upon as a prophet, is not able to make proper decisions as to what kind of fraternities one may or may not take part of, he is no to be regarded as reliable in a prophetic setting.
Prophecy pertains to a wall to be built against the enemy, to be able to discern truth and holiness.

For several years we have tried to stir proper response from Mr. Joyner as to his connection to certain fraternities which cannot by any means be defended within the framework of true prophetic testimony.
We certainly need to be cautious and discerning when it comes to which voices are to be regarded as valid.
L. W.


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Truth is written in Scripture. The Word is the final Authority. If the message doesn't jell in the Word, then it cannot be considered of God and must be regarded as outside the Truth.


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Hi Spitfire

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All we really want to know is the truth, ain't it? I don't care if it comes from someone with green teeth.


Perhaps you should? Jesus silenced the truth when it came from a polluted source; Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God. And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.
(Luk 4:34-35 KJV)
and Paul did the same; And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. (Act 16:16-18 KJV)

The character of the servant is of paramount importance in the kingdom of God. God is not a pragmatist. As Spurgeon used to say 'if God has not called a man to holiness, He has certainly not called him to the ministry'.


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