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Amen... and just because God has given men and women different roles in the home and in the church does not mean that women are of any less value to God. There is no difference in Christ between Jew and Gentile, male and female... but He has ordained by His perfect will that we fulfill very different roles.

Krispy

 2010/4/22 13:38
mguldner
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So to verify and keep this discussion orderly we all have nothing wrong with a women preaching as long as she isn't an authority in the church? Is this correct?


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 2010/4/22 14:52Profile









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Psalms 68:11

11. The Lord gives the command;
The women who proclaim the good tidings are a great host:
12. Kings of armies flee, they flee,
And she who remains at home will divide the spoil!"
13 .When you lie down among the sheepfolds,
You are like the wings of a dove covered with silver,
And its pinions with glistening gold.


This speaks to me of the necessity of neither male nor female in Christ. Without families, and the influence of Godly mothers, the church would perish, if it were possible. The proclamation of His word does not always mean in an apostolic way to the masses, as on Pentecost. It also means a faith filled good night story to our babies, and the security they receive from their mothers as faith is imparted to them.


Godly mothers, and sisters hold up their canopy of holiness unto the Lord as much as The evangelist; as much as the Apostle doing exploits around the world, and the Lord not only recognizes it, but proclaims He has ordained it to be so.

12. "Kings of armies flee, they flee,
And she who remains at home will divide the spoil!"

When the victorious church gains glory unto the Lord, and the enemy Princes run for their lives, the rewards of victory are the exact same for the warrior slaying, and the mother praying; no difference. Women cannot be in the field, because of their apparent weakness, and because their ministry is often different, especially if married and having children.


This becomes their first and necessary devotion, and calling.

 2010/4/22 15:04









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So to verify and keep this discussion orderly we all have nothing wrong with a women preaching as long as she isn't an authority in the church? Is this correct?

IS THAT RIGHT?

 2010/4/22 15:13









 Re: All of Isaiah 61; None of Eldership...[Pastoring]




Isaiah 61
The Good News of Salvation.

1 “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me,
Because the LORD has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
3 To console those who mourn in Zion,
To give them beauty for ashes,
The oil of joy for mourning,
The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
That they may be called trees of righteousness,
The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified.”
4 And they shall rebuild the old ruins,
They shall raise up the former desolations,
And they shall repair the ruined cities,
The desolations of many generations."


As I see it, this IS the ministry of the Holy Spirit in His purist form. This anointing is neither male nor female; it cannot be. Therefore, would one say that a female believer is prohibited from;

1]. Sharing the gospel with others, including her family and friends?...
2]. Ministering comfort, Peace and Freedom to those in need?
3]. Sharing with others that the Lord is returning, and comfort the suffering in that truth?
4.] Ministering consolation, beauty of the Lord and the joy of the Lord...in the spirit of Worship and the Comfort of faith in the Lord Jesus?

Of course not.
Women are the "weaker vessel" whether they like it our not. They are forbidden to usurp any authority over men, or to teach doctrine and oversee in any leadership capacity within the Church.. To allow such, is to invite confusion and hurt. In my 40 or so years addressing these issues, I have never seen ONE instance where a woman Pastor, or Co-Pastor did not leave a trail of disaster behind her; not one....and I have seen many.

In these issues of doctrine and authority within the church, they are to be silent. However, can a sister give a testimony? Yes. Can she prophesy? Yes. Can she share a revelation? Yes. Can she pray for the sick wherever she is? Yes. can she comfort others with the heart of Jesus, wherever she is? OF course.

We as a church have cut off 50% of our family and their giftings and ministry. Do I want my granddaughter to Prophesy? Phillip did. Do I want a Priscilla ministry in her future? Paul did. Do I want to see an active faith that ministers compassion and life to others in power? YES. I think Jesus does too, but I do not want to see this brassy caricature that we see today as Women Pastors or "evangelists", such as Gloria Copeland, or Joyce Meyers.


That would break my heart. They have become aggressive and mannish, no matter how many face lifts and beauty products they have used. [ not withstanding the heresies they embrace..] It is not healthy for a sister to desire these positions of authority. It really messes them up.


But as far as their ministry goes; of course. I long to see the Church free in this area, and our sisters set free in the process. We all will benefit.

 2010/4/22 15:40
MaryJane
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Never mind:)

 2010/4/22 15:50Profile









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"So to verify and keep this discussion orderly we all have nothing wrong with a women preaching as long as she isn't an authority in the church? Is this correct?"
Dmoney.

Of course this is idealism here, and could it be a carry over from the IHOP thread where I confronted the unscriptural practice of ordaining women to teach and exercise authority there in a variety of arenas.

No, I am not saying that. Generally preaching over the pulpit is centered around Doctrine, and doctrine must therefore be taught as the process of preaching ensues.

A woman preaching in a church setting must by task also preach doctrine ultimately, which falls into the authority realm, and the teaching realm. This is prohibited by scripture.


I have ministered side by side in the evangelism realm, and been with sisters witnessing, passing tracts, etc., but when it comes to actual preaching to the lost,[ lifting up your voice and proclaiming...], I don't think so. The warfare realm is too intense; with the demon possesed , hecklers now and then, and general opposition.


In the Far East ,India and the Mid east, there is a resentment by the men there seeing a woman confront them. They are not Americanized into women's lib, and quite frankly, wouldn't listen, or worse.


There is a video on you tube where Lou Engel took some youngsters to The Castro in San Fransisco. An angry mob threatened to beat them, and ran them out. The police came in to escort them out, or there would probably have been blood shed. You can see what I mean. It was a noble idea, but They never should have been there...


Preaching is not the place for sisters....generally. There always is the exception. I think of Marie Woodworth Edders, some female missionaries, and others. The Deborah of old was surely in authority over men. Again, we cannot generalize, but stick to the word, and that should always be kept pure. Women are not, and were not allowed as preachers and teachers over men.

 2010/4/22 16:10









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So to verify and keep this discussion orderly we all have nothing wrong with a women preaching as long as she isn't an authority in the church? Is this correct?



You misunderstand... whenever anyone stands in the pulpit to teach the Word of God... they are assuming a position of authority on what they are teaching.

So it does not matter what "position" she has, it is wrong for her to preach in the church when there are men present.

Krispy

 2010/4/22 16:15









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Instead of posturing and trying to justify why women should be able to teach from the pulpit to a congregation of men... why not just read what the Bible says... and obey it? You don't have to understand it, you don't even have to like it or agree with it. God demands obedience. Period.

As far as the question "What if God gives a woman a word to share" ... my answer would be God would not give a woman a word to share if it means that she would be violating His Word in the delivery.

Does God give women a message to share? Of course. But not to be shared in violation to His Word. There are other avenues for which she can share what God has laid on her heart.

Krispy

 2010/4/22 16:18
Miccah
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The issue here is ability and order. Women have the ability to preach. Sometimes they have better ability then men do, but it is out of order.

So many people in the Western society believe that ability trumps order. God gives everyone abilities, but He also gives us the order in which these abilities are to be used. God has a role for every man and women, it is our job to submit to His ways for our lives.

Western culture has instilled anarchy on true biblical order and headship. God is not worried about American gender equality, He is concerned that we follow His example for our lives. This includes proper roles for men and women.


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 2010/4/22 16:55Profile





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