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castling
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re: Phanetheus

The debate over Trinitarian doctrine has been carried out too many times - especially by the likes of Philologos and JeremyHulsey.

The only thing which matters at the day is the Word. I'm not sure why you're quoting the Catholic dictionary, much less "modern" Catholic scholars.

And what better way to have revelation of His Word, understanding of His being, and experience of His character, than to ask directly of Him?

"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine..." (John 7:17, also c.f. John 8:31-32, John 16:13)

 2010/4/10 1:52Profile
castling
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re: Areadymind

I fully agree with you that no creed or theological system should supersede the Word of God. They are only useful in so far as they are rooted in the Word anyway.

Perhaps not everyone concurs on what is to be extracted, because not everyone relies on God for interpretation & understanding. Lack of reliance on God is really an issue of human pride.

 2010/4/10 2:02Profile









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Hallo Castling.

You wrote:
The debate over Trinitarian doctrine has been carried out too many times - especially by the likes of Philologos and JeremyHulsey.

g:
There is no interest in debate, however,there is interest in gaining a clear perspective of alternate views from my own experience relative to scripture: the big picture STS.
If somebody can show me from the scriptures that there is a trinity, i'm on board. This topic has never been a matter of discussion here.

Will have to look into the info on Philologos and JeremyHulsey.




c:
I'm not sure why you're quoting the Catholic dictionary, much less "modern" Catholic scholars.

g:
(See previous response and following)
i began to look into the idea behind the thread after reading it, and that is why it is used. Further research since has indicated clearly that the doctrine was indeed invented by the catholics. What better way to find out about anything than to first go to the source of any invention?

Why does anybody look for doctrinal ideas outside of what is written in the scriptures?

i suppose another question relative in analogy is: why would anybody watch the news on tv, then read the newspaper, then check on the internet regarding issues of interest?

c:
And what better way to have revelation of His Word, understanding of His being, and experience of His character, than to ask directly of Him?

g:NONE that are known here...especially when the source is unseen.

It is desired that you will note that in the book of John predominantly, (as well as the other gospels), Jesus often speaks in the grammatic tense known as 3rd person. Please consider this in references therefrom regarding the holy spirit

Please answer why God could not be a decanity?

...and in closing, some more food for thought:

The scriptures state that "my people shall know my name", yet the term "holy spirit" is merely a title.

If the holy spirit is a person individuated yet united with the Father and the Son, what is His name?


There are more where that came from, but we can take this one step at a time.

May God give us all further insight
into His nature and expressions
of the same,

Gregg
Col. 1:9-10,13-17





 2010/4/15 8:00
Koheleth
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 Re: Apostle Paul and the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity

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Regarding the historical development of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity: To what extent was Apostle Paul aware of the deity of Christ, and if he made any attempt to reconcile this with monotheism? Why wasn't Paul clearer on this issue?



We need to be aware when speaking of "the doctrine of the Holy Trinity" or even "the Trinity" we are using terms not found in the Bible. It is easy to get heated and emphasize that Christians must believe things that are never even stated in the Bible. We need to believe all the truths in the Bible. It is clear that the Bible never takes the time to emphasize formally any three-part equivalence between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit the way "doctrinal statements" do. There are equivalences in the Scriptures to be sure, but they are always more vague than the emphasis and clarity that many men try to force on them. Stick with the word of God. It will lead you clearer and keep you purer than "doctrinal statements".

 2010/4/15 8:47Profile









 Re: One Spirit , One Lord, One Christ.......



Ephesians 4:4

"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5. One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6. One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7. But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ."


There are many more.....

 2010/4/15 9:26
Koheleth
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Ephesians 4:4-6 "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.



Hi Tom! Not sure what you had in mind by this Scripture, so this reply is not necessarily for you but just for the discussion.

What this Scripture is saying:
- There is one Body.
- There is one Spirit.
- There is one Hope.
- There is one Lord.
- There is one Faith.
- There is one Baptism.
- There is one God and Father of all.

What this Scripture is not saying:
That the Body and the Spirit and the Hope are a "trinity", or that the Lord and the Faith and the Baptism are a trinity, or that any other combination of the above are any type of trinity or mysterious unity. It is just saying each is unique in the world. There is only one of each, just like there is only one Way. Same idea.

 2010/4/15 11:12Profile
castling
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Here are some previous discussions regarding Trinitarian doctrine on this forum - which I submit to your prayerful consideration:


Forum Threads:

Godhead
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7893&forum=36&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

The Trinity - what are your views?
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=184&forum=36&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

The Trinity/Oneness Question
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=0&topic_id=445&forum=36&post_id=&refresh=Go

Should we believe the Trinity?
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1783&forum=36&9

Trinity and TD Jakes
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5951&forum=36&42

Trinity and Hebrew grammar
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=242&forum=36&start=20&26

Christ was only God inside the flesh?
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=365&forum=36&3

Trinity Questions
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=13694&forum=36&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

History of the Trinity
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6505&forum=40&15


Specific Articles:

History of Trinitarian Doctrine - Philologos
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6505&forum=40&15

KingJimmy on the Trinity
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30862&forum=36&start=30&viewmode=flat&order=0 &
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30862&forum=36&start=40&viewmode=flat&order=0


Audio Sermons:

That They May be One - Art Katz (Audio Sermon)
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=7149&commentView=itemComments

 2010/4/17 23:27Profile









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Roger Wilco.


It appears that you have gone to a bit of work to foreward the above. Though the sermon may not be listened to, all the texts will be read and we can be back at it, hashing this thing out, thought it seems trinitarians are approaching the scriptures from a Westerners understanding, and believe accordingly.

We might never come to agreement on this issue simply due to this fact.

Whether or not this be the case, we each need to ask ourselves how actively has the Spirit of Christ manifested in our own lives.

God will not do anything in contradiction of His Word.
If one does not experience God through His Spirit akin to that which is testified in Acts, somebody is believing the wrong things. God never honors that which stands in opposition to the way he has, does, and will reveal himself.

Ps. 138:2

CIAO!
g
II Cor. 5:16


Q.E.D. ?


Over and out.




-STOP 30-


 2010/4/18 10:21





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