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Goldminer
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 Re: not new but hi!

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough on my "known will of God" comment. I am saying when you know God has told you something and you are disobedient things get out of wack. I wasn't refering to all the totality of the known will of God. Just what He speaks to us individually.

Also there is a big difference in going through trials for disobedience than there is for suffering for His name sake.

Lysa I think in this life the fact that we are not going through persecutions is an indication we are not living up to the level He has called us to. We are not above our Master and if the hated Him they will hate us also.

As far as knowing His will. We are only responsible to obey the things He has revealed to us. We know to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul and might and our neighbor as ourselves. We can't be disobedient to what we don't know. But if we have heard His voice we need to obey.


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KLC

 2010/3/6 0:25Profile
Goldminer
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Now that we know you need healing we can be praying for that. I will also pray for peace and provision for you. God bless you and keep you.


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KLC

 2010/3/6 0:43Profile









 Re: Derek Prince

Lysa

I don't agree with DP and for proof I say look at Timothy who had stomach problems and was told by Paul to take a natural remedy and was not told to pray for healing, and for Paul too who had eye-sight problems. And many many saints who were very powerful in the kingdom but suffered terrible sicknesses.

I did believe this gospel once for a time but did my own Bible study after I failed to be healed in spite of great faith and found it was the soul that is to be healed so that we can walk in holiness. Physical illness does not stop us being holy. We must put up with the effects of the fall but understand too that a lot of illness is caused through eating a typical western diet and I object to those who say they got healed and continue to abuse their bodies like this instead of obeying the natural laws on food that is, organic and unprocessed, the way God made it and which you buy in the health shops that Prince scorns.

Besides I have been sick for a very long time and had countless prayers and annointing in oil.

DP also upset me when he was making fun of others, and the bit that got me the most was when he joked that if you go into a health food shop the people you see look sick. After spending years of buying health foods and looking sick, I found that remark insensitive and offensive.

I exclude things from my diet like gluten and have lab tests to show anti-bodies to it despite going to my GP and being told that the test he did was clear. I went instead to a private doctor but Prince would have had me obey my GP when they know nothing about nutrition and food intolerance.

 2010/3/6 4:17
Lysa
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Bro krautfrau,

I feel there are possibly unfounded accusations toward Bro. Prince; not that I knew him personally but I’d like to address this if that is ok with you!

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I did believe this gospel once for a time


I’m not sure what you are talking about here... what gospel are you referring too?

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....organic and unprocessed, the way God made it and which you buy [b]in the health shops that Prince scorns[/b].

DP also upset me when he was making fun of others, and the bit that got me the most was when he joked that if you go into a health food shop the people you see look sick. After spending years of buying health foods and looking sick, I found that remark insensitive and offensive.

I went instead to a private doctor but Prince would have had me obey my GP when they know nothing about nutrition and food intolerance


Brother, I listen to Bro. Prince a LOT and I have never ONCE heard him (1) make fun of other people (I’ve always thought he was one of the most humblest men I’ve ever heard), (2) scorn the natural way to eat or private doctors; (3) No, on the contrary; he was sick unto death for about a year and the Lord showed him how he had abused his body by the things he ate and how often he ate....
So I humbly ask you for the references (sermons) for what you have addressed.

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I don't agree with DP and for proof I say look at Timothy who had stomach problems and was told by Paul to take a natural remedy and was not told to pray for healing, and for Paul too who had eye-sight problems. And many many saints who were very powerful in the kingdom but suffered terrible sicknesses.


Everything you stated above is in the Bible and I would not dare to refute it EXCEPT possibly the interpretation of it... I’d kindly like to point out that nowhere in the Word does it say that these people were more holy or had greater faith BECAUSE of their sicknesses. Also the Word does not say they died with these illnesses either.

I’m not saying we don’t get sick unto death; brother I know you are sick and disabled from this Lyme disease. I’ve had several Christian friends that have had cancer, some has died but others were healed; doctors like to call it remission but they are healed!

God bless you brother and it is not my intention to challenge you personally; I know you heard what you heard but I’d like to hear it too, if that’s ok!

God bless you again,


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Lisa

 2010/3/6 5:42Profile









 Re: prosperity gospel

Dear Lysa

First of all, I am not a man. I use the username krautfrau
meaning ;

kraut - cabbage
frau - woman

and thought that the two German words were well known but I was wrong and so apologise.

I listened to the links you gave and on a number of occasions, Prince had his audience laughing about something or other concerning people beliefs like the sick ones in the health food store. He refused to accept any dietary therapy and claimed that scripture says that all things are for our benefit, and this is despite evidence to the contrary that people have anti-bodies to certain foods, and he is showing his ignorance as for example wheat has been so modified that it barely compares with ancient species and has become a major allergen.

I am afraid that saying that death is ultimate healing is a cop out and is not scriptural as it says that death is mans enemy.

If the apostle Paul did not have enough faith to heal his eyes then we have no chance.

I do appreciate your desire to help me though but please not with this gospel that damages many people. I have never said that sickness is good - it is not God's will for us to be sick but is one of the things that we have to tolerate in this world the same way in which we suffer for others sins.

blessings

 2010/3/6 6:51









 Re: thanks for prayers

I just wanted to let those who have been praying for me know that I have had a breakthrough and God has given me light regarding my situation which has strengthened me a great deal. Many thanks.

 2010/3/9 2:47





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