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mguldner Member
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| I love your Christ but I hate your Christians | | This is a poem I wrote a long while back I thought I would share I hope it blesses you in some way.
God Bless, Matthew
We love your Christ but dislike your Christians its like your whole religion just didn't even listen to the one guy they claim saved their life But look at you your in chaos with your pain and strife So what causes people to turn in their grave If Jesus didn't rise from the dead I'm sure he'd be still turning today for all these fake Christian who do open heart surgery with their eyes closed will they be saved Im guessing God only knows funny thing about a religion of love its almost like the leader has been disconnected from above If God sent you a text message would you then believe or would you only complain about the pesky texting fee Why do they hate a religion of love are they wrong? I mean are Christians really loving or are they just playing a bad song I write these words not to stir up trouble with either side but in most cases I feel like there is a fine line whether we live or die wrong and Right which takes the lead and are you running for Christ one hundred percent full speed In this world were hate is funny and pain is funny is it fair to say which side is more sunny I'll flip the switch just to find out only to find Christian roaches scurrying about Why are Christian fake? My theory is they feel there's to much pain at stake Christians, no one should have a reason to hate us if we live like Christ but until we do love people will only see the black and the white Fellow Christians please quit acting so sad and if your Fake quit making the rest of us look bad the full potenitial will never be met if we don't focus the world won't fix itself with a simple Hocus Pocus it takes time and money and patience aswell Don't live in a box because then your sending people straight to hell by not live out loud and living large for God You can't live you walk with just a smile and a nod LIVE UP to your expectations that God gave you and why don't you try and save a life or two Sitting and waiting for the world to change isn't going to work I can tell you now that God's work is going to hurt But the joy from it really doesn't matter because its for His glory not for you to have an all you can eat platter Christ died for you a living sacrifice doesn't it make sense that you owe him your life? Maybe I'm wrong and I hope I am that this world isn't fill with nothing but fake Christians The Blind can't lead the blind and this is where we are all caught in a bind we want the glory and the attention but I'm starting to wonder if you are even listening There is a lot to harvest but so few workers Im tired of seeing these half spaces Christian lurkers This world is our battle field and we need to dominate but do it with Love so the world has not reason to hate They love our Christ but hate us Christians But lets try to flip that and see who actually listens. _________________ Matthew Guldner
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2010/2/25 23:24 | Profile |
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Online! | Re: I love your Christ but I hate your Christians | | Quote:
hate your Christians
I want to be 100% honest with you brother. I would have agreed with this poem a few years ago but God has been teaching me I have absolutely no right to "hate" any man Christian or not Christian. Only God is the one that can hate the sinner. Oh that we would be full of bowels of mercies and loving kindness for others. To love all men and esteem all men greater then ourselves.
When God shows that you are just as filthy and wicked in the sight of His Holiness then others then your mind will change also. Oh that we could see ourselves like Isaiah in the temple before God (Isaiah 6:1-5). _________________ SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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2010/2/25 23:52 | Profile |
| Re: | | i know what your saying brother but do you not think we are making are saviour to look like a failure when we talk as if the christians are walking bad and are nothing different then the world, I believe the Lord works in the christian, but i disagree with the same assumption that ghandi had. |
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2010/2/25 23:58 | |
mguldner Member
Joined: 2009/12/4 Posts: 1862 Kansas
| Re: | | Greg, I was refering to a quote from Gandhi this was written a about a year back but something about it that I like maybe I enjoy looking back at my zeal (not always wise) but zealous for the things of God none the less. I do see the flaws in the poetry but hold to the fact that there is still some meat there if you would like I can edit this to say don't like since that would actually hold truer to the Gandhi quote.
David, my poem was written as a generalization towards those it applied not to all Christianity, I was speaking more the a trend that I saw and didn't like. Jeremiah spoke many times of the failures of Israel but this doesn't take away from the sucess of God.
_________________ Matthew Guldner
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2010/2/26 0:06 | Profile |
| Re: | | May i clarify what I was saying, the poem gives the feeling that christians are hypocritical and don't walk what they preach and believe, i think we are neglecting the great work that Christ has done in the believer and speaking as if he is not living in the christian. I know my struggles and weaknesess but i never seen a true believer who i knew knew the Lord have people say that they love Christ but not the christian, Christ has saved them and is living in them, maybe the problem is between true converts and false converts or the working of sanctification from a babe to maturity in which we do sin and fall and not act as we should. I know also that we are nothing without Christ and their is no good thing in us, that we are wicked sinners who can do no good without the grace of God so i don't want to lift us up at all but do you think we are neglecting the work of the holy spirit in a true believer, i am open to here criticism, i know i could be wrong. |
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2010/2/26 0:09 | |
Compton Member
Joined: 2005/2/24 Posts: 2732
| Re: | | First off the title to this poem is in direct contradiction to scripture.
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If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 1 John 4:20
Second of all, Christ loves the Christians, and we are not greater then him.
Let's be careful that our strong rebukes, warnings, and prophecies against the church don't simply turn into self-righteous hatred. It is easy to do because we think more of our opinions and evaluations then we have a right to.
If those Christians in India can take a beating from their enemies and not become cynical, then we can suffer those around us who don't live up to our expectations. Yes, their are many dissapointments in the church. But how can we have fellowship with Christ, unless we learn to love those who especially don't deserve it. Where he leads, can we follow?
Blessings,
MC
(edit: Ghandi's statement is referring to a political event in history. To take a statement that was aimed against militaristic British Occupation and then apply it to the context of our fellow Christians in the church seems like a pointless provacation. However, it would be interesting to see if Ghandi would say the same thing today with as much certainty after watching his countrymen beating unarmed Christians in a public street without mercy.)
_________________ Mike Compton
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2010/2/26 0:13 | Profile |
mguldner Member
Joined: 2009/12/4 Posts: 1862 Kansas
| Re: | | Very well said, My intent is to address False or fake converts Ones that say "I am saved" but don't act accordingly. You should understand that I have come from a half-gospel backround and really didnt know the difference between geninue Christians and ones that just said they were Christians that maybe where the confusion lies. _________________ Matthew Guldner
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2010/2/26 0:16 | Profile |
mguldner Member
Joined: 2009/12/4 Posts: 1862 Kansas
| Re: | | I apologize for the use of the word Hate, that is a strong word and should never be used by Christians toward anyone. I do feel remorse for this now that you have shed some like on its implications, I am sorry. I wrote seeing my fellow Christians completely tearing into and being hateful towards other individual that weren't Christians. The common saying that rose from these conversations from the NonChristians was We Love your Christ but hate your Christians that is the reason I places that in the Poem and titled it the way I did. and I understand your comment on Gandhi, Thank you for the correction, I humbly accept it and take it with great joy.
God Bless, Matthew _________________ Matthew Guldner
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2010/2/26 0:35 | Profile |
| Re: | | Hey brother it is okay you clarified it with the false converts. Brother peace to you and blessing. Hey here is a sermon called true gospel by washer, awesome and it is the full gospel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7X24_vOWwU
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2010/2/26 1:37 | |
mguldner Member
Joined: 2009/12/4 Posts: 1862 Kansas
| Re: | | Since I wrote this (about a year ago) I have been exposed to the full gospel and Love it I will definitely listen to the Paul Washer message, He was the first person that I heard present the Full gospel of Christ in Ten Indictment of the Church. Thank You again and peace to you as well
God Bless, Matthew _________________ Matthew Guldner
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2010/2/26 1:41 | Profile |