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 Christian Demon Possession

I've heard some pretty whacko doctrines (one even from Charisma magazine) that say Christians CAN be demon posessed.(Which in my opinion they can NOT be) I would like to know what others have to say about Christians being demon possessed whether they can or they can not.

The Evangelist

 2004/10/5 15:42Profile
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 Re: Christian Demon Possession

Hi Theevangelist,

i believe that a Christian can be demon oppressed (outside), but not, or no longer demon possessed (inside), once Christ is accepted as ones personal Savior ...

Scriptures says that once we accept Christ, the Holy Spirit indwells us ...

Rom. 8:9-11
1 Cor. 3:16; 6:19;
James 4:5
2 Tim. 1:13-14
Eph 3:16
1 Thess. 4:8.

The Holy Spirit takes up residence in us, and the Holy Spirit cannot live in the same house/temple as an unholy spirit ... For even Christ said that a house divided, can not stand ... But even tho indwealt by the Spirit, it does not mean that we can't still CHOOSE to do evil, it just means that we can no longer literally claim that the devil MADE ME do it ... that's my take.

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I've heard some pretty whacko doctrines (one even from Charisma magazine) that say Christians CAN be demon posessed.(Which in my opinion they can NOT be) I would like to know what others have to say about Christians being demon possessed whether they can or they can not.


Yes reading materials such from Charisma magazine and other counterparts will surely be a waste of time to find true spiritual truth in Christ. I would say many of the newer books published in the last 20-30 years on spiritual warfare have been of little value. One book that has been discussed to some extent on the forums prior is "War on the Saints" by Jesse Penn-Lewis and co-authored by Evan Roberts. I consider it the best volume on spiritual warfare in the last 100 years easily. They went through the welsh revival and were able to gain much insight into the spiritual through experience. I highly recommend you read through it. If a person could answer your question simply in one line then the idea of there being books trying to answer the same question would be pointless. A heavy subject like this demands much attention and patience in study. I hope that helps brother.

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i believe that a Christian can be demon oppressed (outside), but not, or no longer demon possessed (inside), once Christ is accepted as ones personal Savior ...


Perhaps words you are looking for brother is the idea of Opression vs. Possession.


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Scriptures says that once we accept Christ, the Holy Spirit indwells us ...


where?


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[b]Galatians 1:16[/b] - To reveal his [b][i]Son in me[/i][/b], that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

[b]Galatians 1:24[/b] - And they glorified [b][i]God in me[/i][/b].

[b]Galatians 4:6[/b] - And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of [b][i]his Son into your hearts[/i][/b], crying, Abba, Father.

and many more throughout the scriptures...


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where does it say 'when we accept Christ?'


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Brother Ron ...

Acts.2
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

i'll not get into all the other things like His sealing us unto the day of redemption, His baptism of us into the Body of Christ, His indwelling of us, and all the other wonderful things we get with/of the Holy Ghost, once we accept Christ ...

Stands to Christian spiritual reasoning that if no man can get to the Father except by Christ, we can't get to the Holy Ghost without Him either ...

Tit.3
[1] Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
[2] To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
[3] For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
[4] But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
[5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[6] Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
[7] That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
[8] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in

God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
[10] A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

Hope this suffices as to where it says it ... Amen?

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once we accept Christ ...


where does the Bible talk about 'accepting Christ?'


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Brother Ron:

I think that this is just a play on wording. I agree that the phrase "accept Christ" is used very loosely and has led many people to believe they are born again when they are not. I myslef don't like to use the words accept Christ and I think for the most part they are used incorrectly.

However, the words accept and receive seem to coincide with each other.

Several scriptures speak of accepting or receiving.
Mark 4:20, 9:37 and Luke 18:17 for just a few that speak of receiving Christ and His word.

The Greek word here is dechomai (1209) and it mean to accept, receive or take.

When the scriptures speak of the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, mainly in Acts a different word is used. The Greek word is lambano (2983) which means accept, take, receieve, attain. This word is used as an alternative in certain tenses to the one mentioned previously. Maybe you can expound on to the reason why.

In any case, it would seem to me that the scripture does indicate that we need to accept/receive God's word, accept/receive Christ as the only way to eternal life, accept/receive the cross and Christ's blood as the only possible way of redemption, accept/receive His promise of the gift and baptism of the Holy Spririt.

A question they we may need to ask is how do we accept/receive these things. I would say it is through repentance just like Peter preached. That repentance in itself is a gift from the Lord.

Hope this makes sense to somebody.

Hope to read more about the subject of the original post on demon possession.

God bless,

Mike


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Phewww ... Thanks Brother Mike ...

Brother Ron,

Since you've assured me that i can't possibly hurt your feelings, and believe me i'm not trying to ... But, you're scaring me ...

Are you spliting hairs here? ... Mincing words? ... Or just being (i dread to say this but have thought it much) the devil's advocate? ... i pray it's not the latter ...

Are you really hung up on the word "accept" so much until you can't see the meaning of scripture in regards obtaining the Holy Spirit thru Christ ... If so then no one else but the Holy Ghost can knock those scales from your eyes ... Do you believe yourself to be indwealt by the Holy Ghost? ... If so, then how and when do you think you recieved Him? ... i'm most curious about this, and you?

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