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Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign offers "GLBT" bumper stickers, a demonstration of his support for "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered" activism.

The item can be purchased on the campaign website for $2.

As WND reported, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute has declared the Edwards-Kerry presidential ticket the most "gay-supportive" in the history of the U.S.

The campaign website boasts Kerry has a 100 percent rating from the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest homosexual-rights group.

"John Kerry and John Edwards will work to support civil unions, prevent hate crimes, end discrimination, increase HIV/AIDS funding, and will protect Gay and Lesbian families," the website says.


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Here is an image of the sticker:

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I don't think it matters that much over small issues with Bush vs. Kerry. The main thing here is that Bush is a godly man seeking the Lord and Kerry is an infidel trying to win over all sides of peoples to get into the presidential spot. Christians pray!


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What makes you so sure Bush is a godly man?

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What makes you so sure Bush is a godly man?


Hi Brother, I think my words didn't come out as they should have. I think obviously between Kerry and Bush who has publically declared Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour? Who has said he reads the bible and prays daily? Who has said the most important book is the bible? The answer to all those questions is Mr Bush. His confessed relience on Christ in many things has been a witness of a man that is godly seeking after eternal things. He stances on many issues or morality has helped the country not slide into utmost imorality and debatuary. If you think its bad now it will get much worse especially if a man that doesnt know God comes into power. Godly means a man that has the righteousness of Christ and is going to heaven. We have an obligation no matter what political party we support to pray earnestly for George Bush.

But the fact of immorality and sin in the nation is due to Chrisitans not a president. The president cannot stop the flood of immorality in the hearts of men, we fight not against flesh and blood.

I am canadian and I am not sure of all the details of american politics. But as far as I know John Kerry is not a Chrisitan and therefore an Infidel (or rather in lighter language an unbeliever). I would love to be corrected on this and I do have a heart for america. I feel more strongly for America then my own govermental system and country in many ways, for much what happens in your country is almost 100% mirrored in canada a few years later.


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Brother Greg,
Our nation was led to war by George Bush and his administration on the premise of two things, 1. that Iraq had developed weapons of mass destruction, and that 2. the secular Baathist SOCIALIST party was linked tactically and strategically with Al-Quaida, which is a loose grouping of various radical islamic terrorist bands.(commonly referred to as the islamic brotherhood in the past)

Both of these reasons for war have been shown FALSE. A lie, this is not the fruit of a follower of Jesus. He can publically scrunch his face all he wants and say he's praying, deceit is not the fruit of a man who says he is born again. But you see, this is the type of generational sin that runs endemic in the bush family, the father lied about his dealings with iranian terrorists in the past (the iran-contra scandal) he lied about panama. The grandfather Prescott Bush was a banker to the nazi's and the Roosevelt administration ordered him to cease all dealings, Prescott actually had to be fined by the US government to make him stop. Runs in the family.

But you see, bushes and clintons are what my country deserves, because they are us.....we are vain arrogant gluttonous fornicating liars, and the truth doesnt live in us, and whats really horrifying is that a man like bush the second actually bandies about the Name of our precious Savior, while he runs about and copmports himself like a Herod, and the whole "church" falls all over itself, letting itself be seduced by the dollar and power worshipping republican party. (I'm not a democrat btw, I'm a Spirit filled follower of Jesus)

Do you all really think the republicans are serious about ending abortion? no, its lip service paid to white evangelicals, to get their vote....and.......to get their money. Do you really think the republicans are serious about "protecting marriage"....its a joke, the body of believers THEMSELVES are not serious about marriage, look at the divorce rate of believers, same as the world.

Anyway, its too late for this country, 9/11 was just the beginning. Too many of our children have been burned in the fire. Judgement will fall. Our country will lose this war.

 2004/10/2 20:24
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Anyway, its too late for this country, 9/11 was just the beginning. Too many of our children have been burned in the fire. Judgement will fall. Our country will lose this war.



How do you know it is [b]too[/b] late? Is this something God has shown you? Has the legal limit on sin been met? If so, what do we do? Do we stop praying for revival and awakening?

You said "judgment [i]will[/i] fall". What type of judgment? A final judgment?

Do you believe that a remedial judgment has [i]already[/i] fallen on America?


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If this is ALL true ! WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT? Believe me when I say this MOST Chrisitans are adding to the judgement of America. God help us all. Every critism of George Bush should be from utmost love. I believe the man is born-again. Have you lied? Yes you have, does that make you not a Christian? careful with your reasoning. If you are a godly Christian in Christ Jesus being holy and setapart then your prayers should prevail with God. Pray for your nation something should happen. A prayer of one man Elijah influnced a whole nation. Should not ours also.


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Brother Greg,

before I get into the body of this post, that is the part where I tell you "what I'm doing" about the fact that my beautiful country is on the express train to damnation and fiery judgement, lets first talk about some Holy Scripture and then a bit o geopolitic's, circa 1990.

I am no John the Baptist, the only reason I say that is that he didnt couch his language when he spoke to the religious hypocrites of his day, he called them a "brood of vipers". and I am MOST definetly NOT the Lord Jesus Christ (big lol) but Our Saviour got up in the faces of the phonies of His day and said, "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside, but on the inside are full of dead man's bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness". Matthew 23:27-28

and I don't care how many ways, how many believers slice it, sending a nation to WAR on a pack of lies is WICKED LEADERSHIP. Telling our people that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and an active nuclear developement was and IS a lie. The US national command authority knew it pre-war, and they know it now. Telling the people that a godless secular political party like the ba-athist's had a strategic and tactical alliance/working relationship with the radical islamic terrorist network al-quaida is the equivelant of saying that TBN and CNN share network feeds. It's a lie, and coming back to me with the rhetorical argument, "have you lied?" is weak. (forgive me if that last seemed harsh, I don't know how else to put it) If I have lied, I get on my knees, I repent, be accountable and THEN MAKE IT RIGHT.

Nobody in national leadership is "making it right", nobody is coming back to the American people and saying "we lied". Did you know that this "born-again" leader doesn't even have the grace, or let's just put it in secular terms, doesn't have the good manners to attend ANY of the funerals of our brave guys (and girls) who have died in the line of duty. Doesn't have the grace to weep PUBLICLY at the funerals of those he has ordered into harm's way.

This is a bad leader, and this is a bad witness of what a born again leader should look like.

Turn to 1st Kings chapter 22 and you have a model template of what happens now. verse 6, "So the King of Israel brought together the prophets---about four hundred men--- and asked them, 'shall I go to war against Ramoth Gilead or shall I refrain?'

'Go' they answered , 'for the Lord will give it into the king's hand.'"

Jehosphat knew something wasn't right, so he asked if a real prophet was around, and Ahab told him , yeh, theres one prophet I hate, coz he never says anything I like, and sure enough Micaiah acts true to form mocks them and then prophesies that he saw the Lord on his throne getting ready to solict some lying spirits to entice Ahab to attack Ramoth Gilead and go to his death. This verse 19 thru 23, in the 22nd chapter of 1st Kings, it happened then, it can happen now. In fact I think I think it is. I remember the build up to war, I heard some awful stuff out of the church. I heard a lot of noise about "a just war", and a lot of other cover the various pastors were filling the airwaves and the sanctuaries with.

" A just war"

and then nobody paid attention on Febuary 1, 2003 when we woke up and saw one of our nations proudest technological achievements just splayed and sprayed against the blue sky in a fiery display, the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster. When I was called on the phone and told to turn on CNN, and I saw that awful awful picture, my first thought, God has spoken. For a month before every had been talking and praying, is this coming war just? and now it seemed to me that the Lord Almighty spoke, and quite clearly. When I asked other believers if they thought this disaster was divine rebuke, NOBODY agreed with me.

To me, it was so clear as to avoid analysis. God took our little space toy and annihilated it.

and this war has been one disaster after another.

In late July of 1990, saddam hussein recieved a visit from Ambassador April Glaspie. He was waiting for one word of censure from her. Because he had been OUR client for so many years and had recieved extensive satelite intelligence from thru the years, he knew our capabilities, and he knew WE KNEW that he was massing troops on the Kuwait border, and not one word did Ambassador Glaspie say to this dictator. saddam hussein took this signal as tacit approval to invade Kuwait, that we wouldn't mind nor protest. The first Bush administration played him like a fiddle, because we wanted to "project force" into the Persian Gulf, because the reality is of the 15 millions barrels of crude oil we consume a DAY, we only produce 5.7 mln, and our government decided that our national security would best be served if American troops maintain bases within the Persian Gulf and specifically the Sau-di Kingdom.

If I know this reality and this truth, you don't think the Arabs, the Ismaelites know this? What do you think bin laden's complaint was? what do you think the reason was he sent those terrorists to attack us on 9/11?

That American troops sit in the holy land of saudi arabia.

That dichotomy was started under bush the first, and now we have bush the second laying a bed of lies to embroil us in Iraq, humbly I ask, does not the bigger picture become clear?

Our country is a slave to consumption, a glutton that consumes over 25% of the worlds crude oil every day.Read the 18th chapter of Revelations, talks very specifically about the madness of this easy wealth.

Now these enemies who face us, before they die as suicide bombers, what are the last words on their lips?

Allahu akbar (God is great)

What are we there to die for?

the American way of life?

what is that?

cheap AM/PM hot dogs, free internet porn and Sunday football?

make not patriotism just another filthy idol, if things are wrong and they are, stand up and say it.

homosexuals and the aclu are very easy targets to fire at, don't be fooled, go after the herods, and the domitian's and all the other wicked kings and hypocrite religious leaders who WILL put you to death and imprison you, and beat you.


Now Greg, as to what I do; today I was honored enough to pastor our childrens church (a pentecostal church), I had about 30 children of mixed ethnicities, arab christians, latinos, blacks and whites. One little girl timidly raised her hand and asked if she could ask Jesus into her heart. We prayed with this precious little one, and another of God's children walks in the light and freedom that is Jesus Christ. My secret prayer life is robust, and my little son and I read the Bible together. I maintain a homeless food ministry and always travel with clean socks, soap and Bible portions for the homeless. They and the children are my primary ministries.

I do pray that someday the powers that be, make preaching the FULL Gospel illegal, and make Bible possession illegal. I pray this because I am of the opinion that there are many pretenders walking the landscape feeding off the Provisions of the Lord Jesus Christ, and if one had to really suffer for following the Lord, only those who are real worms of Christ will remain, and then and only then will the bride of Christ be made ready.

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and then nobody paid attention on Febuary 1, 2003 when we woke up and saw one of our nations proudest technological achievements just splayed and sprayed against the blue sky in a fiery display, the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster. When I was called on the phone and told to turn on CNN, and I saw that awful awful picture, my first thought, God has spoken. For a month before every had been talking and praying, is this coming war just? and now it seemed to me that the Lord Almighty spoke, and quite clearly. When I asked other believers if they thought this disaster was divine rebuke, NOBODY agreed with me.



That is quite a reach, ever considered the family's of those aboard that disaster? Would you be willing to repeat this to them? Not trying to be provocative but this is surely speculation at best and unnecessary in the least.

Perhaps a different perspective. Setting aside all the political banter for a moment, this is well worth a listen:

[url=http://www.truthforlife.org//MP3DArchive.php]http://www.truthforlife.org//MP3DArchive.php[/url]

(Public Prayer: Its Importance and Scope 1 Timothy 2: 1-8 )

Part A [Sep. 10 2004]
Part B [Sep. 13 2004]

Related thread:

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If Bush is a true Christian, then so was I three years ago when I was claiming I was; going to church 3 times per week and sending my kids to christian school. the fact was- that I was not, I was a lukewarm, backslidden person who was holding onto my own rights and not fully surrendered to the Lord. On the outside, I looked spiritual and good- I mean, look, i was doing all the right things to SHOW I was a christian. Yet, I have to guarantee that if I had died three years ago, I wouldn't be in heaven. I had one foot in the WORLD and one foot in heaven. hmmmm, who else might have one foot in the WORLD and one foot in heaven??

All these things we claim to say about ourselves and others that make us christians- like "why" were we saved?(for God's glory, because He is worthy), have we surrendered all? have we died to self and sin? don't these apply to presidents as well?

Just because books claim something and a man claims something doesn't make it so. I cannot tell you the feeling I have about the deception that is going on here.

How can it be that we listen to Wilkerson and Ravenhill and Tozer and then we let the standards slide for one man?

If Bush is a true Christian, then the Purpose Driven Life and Seeker sensative churches are all fine and dandy too- because they are running the same kind of deception. That mediocrity of our faith is good enough.

I know so many neighbors who act like Bush is next to Jesus. They all go to church 3 times per week, have Bush signs in their yard, claim they're "christian", quote how "good' the president is and follow his example by accepting all faiths as "good". Yet, they are the same ones who are getting divorced, watching football everytime it's on, drinking their beer in front of their kids and promoting american "PRIDE"-as well as all types of other PRIDE. It STINKS.

Bush has been president for the last four years and look at the state of the church- why because he stands for the typical christian in this country. Everyone thinks things are all fine and dandy because we have a "christian" president. Let's be happy and relax and SLEEP!!!!!!!!!!!

We don't need to be sleeping. I don't care if Kerry gets in- maybe SOMEONE WILL WAKE UP. Maybe people will get on their knees and pray that revival comes to america. Doesn't anyone see that the way things are right now, that america will stay asleep???? Patriotism is idolatry in this country.

I think the enemy is very happy that the country is continuing to sleep, especially the "christians". That's where he wants them.

How can we be in disagreement with the rest of the 'in name only' christians in this country about how to enter the kingdom of heaven- yet we agree about the president? This doesn't make any sense.

It truly makes me want to leave this country and go where there is persecution so that I may be among true believers who are sold out for Christ alone. It won't be long before it's here anyway. While we're sleeping, they will come.

I am not saying that we shouldn't pray for our leaders. I pray that Bush will wake up and serve the living God like He deserves to be served. With no compromise. May the Lord's will be done in his life.


In Him, Chanin

edit: by the way, when I was a 'in name only' christian, running my own life; I was also a typical conservative republican who listened and believed all the hype. I had all the stickers and was on all the mailing lists and invited to all benefits and campaign dinners (local);as soon as the Lord woke me up from my sleep and I surrendered to the Lord, I saw through all of it. I had been one of them and they were all just like I was.


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