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 The sinner's real problem is not his sin.

The sinner's real problem is not his sin.

It seems that that a lot of people think the sinner's real problem is his sin. Many times the sinner is told to stop sinning or he is told to turn away from his sin. This is simply absurd. The sinner's real problem is not he is sinning; his real problem is that he is completely and absolutely dead to God!!!

His sin is just the natural result of being dead. His continual sinning is the normal consequence and result being dead.

We were all born dead because we are all born in Adam, and are spiritually dead to God. We were created to have the Life of God within us, yet are born into this world without it.

The good news of the gospel is that God offers Christ's Life to people who are dead!!!

John 1:3-4. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

John 3:14-18, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

John 3:36. "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

John 4:14, "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life"

John 5:24, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

John 5:37, "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 6:33, "For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."

John 6:40, "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:47-48, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. I am that bread of life.

John 6:53, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

John 10:10, "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Eph. 2:1-9, "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

1 Cor. 15:22. "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

Col. 2:9-15, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Rom. 8:10, "And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

1 Peter 2:24, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."

1 John 5:11-12, "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

 2009/11/14 20:35
JoanM
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 Re: The sinner's real problem is not his sin.

OR, as was preached today in Dublin, at the revival conference: [b]the sinner's real problem is the Wrath of God[/b].

You might appreciate that message when it is posted here.

 2009/11/14 21:05Profile









 Re: The sinner's real problem is not his sin.

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The sinner's real problem is not his sin.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Sounds like the sinners sin is the real problem.

 2009/11/14 22:30









 Re: The sinner's real problem is not his sin





To DeepThinker:

As usual, you exclude the full counsel of God when you post. How do you do that? You do not respond to the previous posts, and the scripture that was posted. You respond with one or two scriptures that support your views.

How about responding to the previous post from tuc, and the 18 references of Scripture he used to prove his point---THE SINNERS REAL PROBLEM IS NOT HIS SIN.

The sinners real problem is the sin nature he/she inherited from Adam.


All of us are born into "Adam". Those who are saved are immediately in the "Last Adam", Jesus Christ".

All of us are born into the[b] first man[/b], Adam. All of those who are saved are immediately into the Last Adam, the [b]" Second Man"[/b].

This is only one of many verses that supports the title of this thread: The sinner's real problem is not his sin (but the original sin of Adam)

2 Cor 5:17-21

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19. To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
[color=990000][b]21. For he hath made him (Jesus Christ) to be sin for us (all believers)), who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.[/color][/b]

What we receive is the down payment, the Holy Spirit that comes to live within us.[b] We will not be like Christ until we receive our new [u]glorified bodies of Flesh and Bone,[/u] like that of Jesus[/b].(luke 24:39)

Scripture is clear--flesh and blood (that is you and me and everyone), cannot inherit eternal life
(1 Cor 15:50)

50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

But, do I expect you to respond to this, with Scripture, that refutes the Scripture I posted, as well as that posted by tuc? No, not even.

Sincerely,

Walter


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DeepThinker wrote:
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The sinner's real problem is not his sin.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Sounds like the sinners sin is the real problem.

 2009/11/14 23:06
twayneb
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 Re: The sinner's real problem is not his sin.

I agree tuc. Some might differentiate between sin and actions called sins. I would say it is not the actions of sin that are the sinner's problem, it is the fact that he has not been born again that is his real problem.

There are many who see the Christian experience as trading one set of actions or one way of life for another. But true Christianity is an exchanged life. It is the death of the old man and the newness of life that is found only in the atoning work of Jesus Christ. Welcome to SI!


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Travis

 2009/11/14 23:27Profile









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God Bless You Waltern.

By the way Tuc, that was a good message, and welcome to the forum.

 2009/11/14 23:28
Leo_Grace
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 Re: The sinner's real problem is not his sin.

Hi tuc. I agree with you too, that the sinner's problem is not his sin.

Sin is just the symptom. The problem is separation from God. When the problem of separation is solved, when a man returns to God and is reborn, slavery to sin is cast away.

[i]1Jn 3:6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him a or known him.[/i]

 2009/11/14 23:35Profile
IWantAnguish
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Men are not sinners because they have sinned.

Men sin because they are sinners by nature.


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 2009/11/15 0:17Profile
JoanM
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 Re: Wrath

I never heard of the wrath of God until long after I believed on Jesus. For me it was the Love of my Father, day after day, and His goodness that first led to repentance. I also understand it is different for others.

Yet two verses come to mind: one before the death of our current flesh bodies and one after that death.

John 3: 36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; [b]but the wrath of God abideth on him[/b].

Rev. 6: 15-17 - And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, [b]and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb[/b]:

In the Day of the Lord a sinner might be grateful if "not see life", were that all there was to it. That would be exactly as expected by those that say there is no God; It appears they would be grateful to be hidden and separated from God, and the wrath of the Lamb. Not going to happen. Big eternal personal problem.

Maybe only those that have known God in revival cry out "Is there mercy for me?" Though there is goodness and mercy, I never heard a report of someone crying out "Is there goodness for me?" Maybe short of the manifest presence of God in revival, the wrath of God abiding on unbelievers remains unrevealed to them.

Knowing both aspects of reconciliation (however dimly), particularly the cup He drank, makes me cry out "Worthy is the Lamb."



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 Re: wrath

The Good news is God's love for the sinner!!

Rom. 5:8-12, "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

John 3:14-18, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

 2009/11/15 5:57





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