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Lucash
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 God regrets what He did?

In the past 5 minutes, I have found 3 places in the Bible where God has regretted something He did. I've been reading 1 Samuel the past couple of days, and I recently ran across 1 Samuel 15:11, 35 - 11"I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me and has not performed my commandments." 35 And Samuel did not see Saul again until the day of his death, but Samuel grieved over Saul. And the Lord regretted that He made Saul king over Israel. (ESV)

After reading this I started wondering more and more about why God regretted what He did. It made me wonder if God has regretted anything else after that? Has God regretted anything He has done in my life? In Genesis 6:6, God regretted making man (6 And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart.)

This awakens a deep disturbance in my heart. If God knows all things and sees all things and hears all things, then why would He regret something He did? If God knew what Saul was going to do before He created the earth, why wouldn't He put someone else in charge?

Of course, after God regretted making man in Genesis 6:6, Noah found favor in His eyes (Genesis 6:8) and thus brings about the flood. I still wonder though, because God regretted what He had done in Saul's life, what does that mean for me? What does that mean for you? I need input please! My head is spinning! For now, I will just start 2 Samuel and continue on!


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Lucas Hughes

 2009/11/3 13:56Profile
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 Re: God regrets what He did?

well i think God gave man free will, but of course God could foresee what choices we make. and your questions are such we all face sometimes, and some are hard to give a definite answer. One could ask many questions, but to this one i think we have to remember that th3 bible is Gods word, but you cant really define God in words, we can use parables, and language we understand so we can get a "picture" of God pretty close to whom he is.

so when scripture says he regretted he made man, it is possible God felt just that, but since he knew what was going to happened even before he made man, maybe it is just a picture to show us how God feels, in a way we can relate to.

i dont know for sure but, there are two ways we can receive these things, one is to let them "twist" our minds into doubt and confusion, or we can seek to understand them, perhaps not fully but in a way that is edifying to our lives today, what made God feel this way? what did saul do? what dos that teach me and how i should walk with the Lord.

remember why the scriptures where given to us.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


so if we cant figure out the doctrine perfectly, then dont let it stop you from seeking to full fill the other ones. Some doctrines we do not understand fully until we live them.


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CHRISTIAN

 2009/11/3 14:16Profile









 Re: God regrets what He did?

These are interesting questions. First it says in the verse you brought up:

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1 Samuel 15:11 ESV "I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me and has not performed my commandments." And Samuel was angry, and he cried to the LORD all night.



But then it says just 14 verses later in the very same chapter:

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1 Samuel 15:28-29 ESV And Samuel said to him, "The LORD has torn the kingdom of Israel from you this day and has given it to a neighbor of yours, who is better than you. (29) And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for he is not a man, that he should have regret."



At first this may appear to be a contradiction, yet we know there is no contradiction in God, nor in His holy perfect Word.

The obvious conclusion is that these verses, though in the same chapter of the same book, are talking about 2 different types of regret.

In the first one (v. 11), this is revealing God's desire and heart as a benevolent, loving Creator who loves holiness and goodness. It brought sorrow to His heart to see how rebellious Saul was, since God hates sin and loves righteousness.

In the second one (v. 29), this is revealing the nature of God's eternal decree, of His choices which He makes according to the sovereign counsel of His own will. In His sovereign decree, He does not change, regret, or alter any of His plans. They WILL come to pass and no one will thwart them.

An interesting article on this if you are really interested, full of biblical support, can be found here: http://www.enjoyinggodministries.com/article/are-there-two-wills-in-god/

Please read that article if you are really struggling with these things. I hope this helps you to understand the different ways and terms that the Scriptures use to reveal to us the nature, character, and attributes of God. There are many other Scriptures which reveal to us characteristics of God, and some speak of His heart of love according to His revealed will, and some speak of His eternal decree. If you make no distinction, it can get very confusing and even appear contradictory. Nevertheless, these are not easy things to understand and ultimately, should lead us to fall on our face and worship God for who He is, admitting that He is higher above our thoughts than the heavens are above the earth.

 2009/11/3 18:34
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 Re: God regrets what He did?

In the NIV, those verses read:

[i]1Sa 15:11 “[u]I am grieved[/u] that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” Samuel was troubled, and he cried out to the LORD all that night.

1Sa 15:35 Until the day Samuel died, he did not go to see Saul again, though Samuel mourned for him. And [u]the LORD was grieved[/u] that he had made Saul king over Israel.

1Sa 15:29 He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie [u]or change his mind[/u]; for he is not a man, that he should [u]change his mind[/u].”[/i]

I have always favored the NIV Bible because it is the most recent modern English translation drawn directly from the oldest available manuscripts, and cross-checked with other Biblical transcripts. It is clear here that God has never regretted anything he has done. Rather he has felt grief at certain situations as they developed before his eyes, particularly where man is involved.

One should pay heed to what Josef_Urban shared above when he said:

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At first this may appear to be a contradiction, [b]yet we know there is no contradiction in God, nor in His holy perfect Word[/b].


This is the proper attitude to take whenever one is confronted with anything that appears to undermine our understanding of the perfection of God.

Remember:
Heb 11:1 Now [u]faith is being sure[/u] of what we hope for [u]and certain[/u] of what we do not see.

There is no room for doubt in true Christian faith. Instead of doubting God, we should doubt our own understanding of what we have encountered that seems to undermine God, as Josef has shown. By exploring the matter further in faith, we will eventually see the truth without the peril of having a wavering faith in God.

 2009/11/3 19:09Profile
tjservant
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There is no room for doubt in true Christian faith. Instead of doubting God, we should doubt our own understanding of what we have encountered that seems to undermine God...



Amen.

It took me awhile to get to this point. When I was first saved, I found all sorts of things that pointed to "problems" in scripture. I now clearly see the only problem was(is) me. :-)

Good info from Josef.


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TJ

 2009/11/3 19:59Profile









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Hope this helps:

* God speaks of the future in terms of what may or may not be: Ex. 3:18, 4:9, 13:17; Eze. 12:3

* God changes His plans in response to changing circumstances: Ex. 32:10-14, Jer. 18:1-10

* God's willingness to change His plans is considered one of His glorious attributes: Jonah 4:2; Joel 2:12-13

* God has had disappointments and has regretted how things turned out: Gen. 6:6; 1 Sam. 15:10, 15:35

* God has expected things to happen that didn't come to pass: Isa. 5:1-5; Jer. 3:6-7, 3:19-20

* God tests men to see what they will do: Gen 22:12, Ex 16:4, Deut 8:2, Deut 13:3, Judges 2:20-22, Ex 33:2, Ex 34:24, Judges 3:4, 2Chron 12:6-7, 2Ch 32:31

* God gets frustrated and grieved when he attempts to bring individuals into alignment with his will and they resist: Eze. 22:29-31; Isa. 63:10; Eph. 4:30; cf. Heb. 3:8, 3:15, 4:7; Acts 7:51

* The prayers of men have changed the plans of God: Ex. 32:10-14; Num. 11:1-2, 14:12-20, 16:16:20-35; Deut. 9:13-14, 9:18-20, 9:25; 2 Sam. 24:17-25; 1 Kin. 21:27-29; 2 Chron. 12:5-8; Jer. 26:19

* God is said to have repented (changed His mind) multiple times in the Bible: Gen. 6:6-7; Ex. 32:12-14; Num. 23:19; Deut. 32:36; Judges 2:18; 1 Sam. 15:11, 15:29, 15:35; 2 Sam. 24:16; Ps. 90:13, 106:45, 110:4, 135:14; Jer. 4:28, 15:6, 18:8, 18:10, 20:16, 26:3, 26:13, 26:19, 42:10, Eze. 24:14, Hos. 11:8, 13:14; Joel 1:13-14; Amos 7:3, 7:6; Jonah 3:9-10, 4:2; Zach. 8:14

* Prophecies are often God foretelling what He Himself will later bring to pass. So they have to do more with God's omnipotence then His omniscience: Gen. 3:15; 1 Kin. 8:15, 8:20, 8:24, 13:32 (with 2 Kin. 23:1-3, 15-18); 2 Kings 19:25; 2 Chron. 1:9 (1 Chron. 6:4; 10, 15); 2 Chron 36:21-22; Ezra 1:1; Isa. 5:19, 25:1-2, 37:26, 42:9 (with vs. 16); Jer. 29:10, 32:24, 32:28, 33:14-15, Lam. 3:37; Eze. 12:25, 17:24, 33:29, 33:33; Dan. 4:33, 4:37; Acts 3:18, 27:32-35; Rev. 17:17

* Scriptures that say God has a past, present, and a future: Rev. 1:4, 1:8, 4:8

* Scriptures that say God’s eternity is endless time, that is, time without beginning or end: Isa. 9:6-7; Isa. 43:10; Isa. 57:15; Job 36:26; Dan. 4:34; Hab. 1:12 Ps. 23:2; Ps. 90:2; Ps. 102:24; Ps. 102:27; Lk. 1:33; Heb 1:12; Rev 1:4; Rev. 1:8; Rev. 4:8; Rev. 5:14;

* Scriptures that say man's eternity is endless time: Isa. 45:17; Eph. 3:21; Rev. 14:11;

* Scriptures that say eternity is endless time for Heavenly creatures: Rev. 4:8

* Scriptures that say there will be time in Heaven, or a distinction between the past and the present: Rev. 5:12

* Eternity is time without end (endless time instead of timelessness): Isa. 9:6-7; Isa. 43:10; Isa. 57:15; Job 36:26; Dan. 4:34; Hab. 1:12 Ps. 23:2; Ps. 90:2; Ps. 102:24; Ps. 102:27; Lk. 1:33; Heb 1:12; Rev 1:4; Rev. 1:8; Rev. 4:8; Rev. 5:14; Isa. 45:17; Eph. 3:21; Rev. 14:11

 2009/11/3 22:03





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