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This was the exact quote:

“the professors were in a rage, all pleading for sin and imperfection, and could not endure to hear talk of perfection, and of a holy and sinless life.”

“I bade them give over babbling about the Scriptures, which were holy men’s words, whilst they pleaded for unholiness.”

George Fox

 2009/10/26 20:22
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truefaithsav wrote:
This was the exact quote:

“the professors were in a rage, all pleading for sin and imperfection, and could not endure to hear talk of perfection, and of a holy and sinless life.”

“I bade them give over babbling about the Scriptures, which were holy men’s words, whilst they pleaded for unholiness.”

George Fox



Why are you quoting unscriptural sources? Because scripture does not support your prideful position. Anyone who claims to be holy and sinless like God while still living in the flesh is an abomination before God.

 2009/10/26 20:24Profile
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truefaithful,

Are you really saying that Paul is saying that his past literally made him the greatest sinner of all time? That his past will be greater than the anti-Christ's future? That's an incredibly bad interpretation.


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"For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that [u]ye should follow his steps: who did no sin[/u], neither was guile found in his mouth" 1 Peter 2:21-22

Jesus if our example, which means we are capable of living the way he lived.

We are to follow in His steps, and He did not sin, and therefore we should not sin.

For a person to say that they are not sinning, they are saying that they are following Christ.

For a person to say that they are sinning, they are confessing that they are not following Christ.

It is not holiness that dishonors God, it is sin that dishonors God (Rom. 2:23).

If you want to glorify God, live a holy life! "Give unto the Lord the glory due unto his name; worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness." Psalms 29:2

 2009/10/26 20:27
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truefaithsav,

Here is a quotation for you - its is from Scripture:

Jer 49:16 The terror you inspire and the pride of your heart have deceived you, you who live in the clefts of the rocks, who occupy the heights of the hill. Though you build your nest as high as the eagle’s, from there I will bring you down,” declares the LORD.

 2009/10/26 20:28Profile









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Anyone who claims to be holy and sinless like God while still living in the flesh



You seem to hold to the Gnostic view of the flesh that the flesh is sinful.

Wasn't Jesus morally perfect before He had a glorified body?

We must distinguish between moral perfection and physical perfection. We cannot be physically perfect until we get a glorified body. But we can be morally perfect when we get a new heart. Moral perfection is nothing more than love (Romans 13:10), or benevolent intentions.

 2009/10/26 20:30
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Was or was not Paul the greatest sinner of all time?


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 2009/10/26 20:31Profile
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truefaithsav said:

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Jesus if our example, which means we are capable of living the way he lived.


Listen to the unbecoming pride of our heart. You claim to be the equal of the Lord Jesus in holiness. You have no knowledge of His holiness. Otherwise, you would be ashamed of what you just said.

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Pride is when you think higher of yourself than you really are.

If a person is sinful, and they think of themselves as sinless, they are prideful.

But if a person is holy, and they think of themselves as such, they are honest not proud.

You don't know how powerful the grace of God is. He can take a sinner and turn him into a saint. That is what God did with St. Paul.

Paul was not proud when he said that he had a conscience void of offense (saying that he didn't sin anymore). Since it was true, it was not pride for him to say such things.

 2009/10/26 20:32









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Was or was not Paul the greatest sinner of all time?



I've never read anyone in the Bible where Paul said he was the greatest sinner "of all time". Certainly some sinners are worse than others, and the devil is a worse sinner than Paul.

That is the problem you guys fall into when you take Paul so literally. He was, in a sense, exaggerating. He was simply admitting that he was an aweful sinner because of the things he previously did.

 2009/10/26 20:35





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