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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Spurgeon

 2009/9/14 18:55
elharris
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 Re: Law and Gospel

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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind [b]I myself serve THE LAW OF GOD;[/b] but with the flesh the law of sin.

The Apostle Paul



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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Romans 8:2 For [b]THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT[/b] of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

-The Apostle Paul



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon





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Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil [b]THE LAW OF CHRIST[/b].The Apostle Paul



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

25 But whoso looketh into [b]the perfect LAW of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work,[/b] this man shall be blessed in his deed.

26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, [b]but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.[/b]

27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

- James half brother of Jesus Christ



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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James 2:12 [b]So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by THE LAW of liberty.[/b]

13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

-James, half brother of Jesus Christ and son of the Virgin Mary.



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 [b]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath [b](despised the LAW OF CHRIST and) trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Deut 32:35,36

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

- The Apostle Paul writing from Rome.



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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John 14:15 If ye love me,[b] keep my commandments.[/b]

-The Apostle John. Knew Jesus personally.



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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John 14:21 He that hath [b]my commandments, and keepeth them,[/b] he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

-Jesus Chirst, son of God, creator of the universe, King of Kings, Lord of Lord et. et. et.



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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John 15:10 [b]If ye keep my commandments,[/b] ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

-The Bright and Morning Star, Son of the most High God, Christ the Lord, Savior of all who OBEY him.



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost [b]had given commandments [/b]unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Luke, traveled with Paul. Doctor



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are [b]the commandments of the Lord. [/b]
-Paul, Apostle, ex-Pharisee



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, [b]if we keep his commandments.[/b]

-Apostle John, saw Jesus in resurrected body.



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, [b]and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[/b]

-John one of the 12 original apostles chosen by Jesus Christ.



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we [b]keep his commandments,[/b] and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

-John, personal friend and business partner of Peter. Knew John the Baptist personally



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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1 John 3:24 And he that [b]keepeth his commandments[/b] dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

John, Disciple, Apostle, Evangelist, Miracle Worker-



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and [b]keep his commandments.[/b]

-John brother of James, disciple advanced to Apostle



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we [b]keep his commandments:[/b] and his commandments are not grievous.

-Aposle John (would be diagnosed with OCD (obessive commandment disorder) today.



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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2 John 1:6 And this is love, [b]that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment,[/b] That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

-John again.



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, [b]which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.[/b]

-John the OCD Apostle



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon



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Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that [b]keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.[/b]

- John in Patamos, having another severe attack of OCD again.



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...many teach that the gospel is a law; that it has certain commands in it, by obedience to which, men are meritoriously saved; such men err from the truth, and understand it not

- Charles Sturgeon




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Revelation 22:14 [b]Blessed are they that do his commandments,[/b] that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:15 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters,[b] AND WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKETH A LIE.[/b]

- Signed "Jesus Christ"





 2009/9/15 22:45Profile
jlosinski
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Uhh... Perhaps Spurgeon was speaking to the doctrines of justification/imputation? Are we saved by what we [i]do[/i] or by what has [i]been done[/i] ? Are you saved by [i]grace[/i] , then kept by [i]works[/i] ? Is there a reason that you mis-spelled Spurgeons name in your post?

 2009/9/16 2:35Profile
jlosinski
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Joined: 2006/9/11
Posts: 294
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Hey sorry El,
I was a little cranky when I wrote my last post, I stand by the concepts I wrote, but there was no need for me to get defensive. I trust we both love Christ, and, by extension, each other.
Grace to you,
Joe

 2009/9/16 2:51Profile









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Neither Charles Spurgeon, nor any other preacher of the Gospel, ever said that there is not a law that Christians must obey...never said that...

They do, however; rightly divide the Word, and teach that the law has its place, its purpose, and that purpose does not include the ability to justify a wicked person. (that's you and that's me)"By the works of the law shall no flesh be justified..."

The law (any command of God in the new or old testament) cannot make a man right with God, cannot keep a man right with God, and cannot give a man the ability to Love God or his neighbor (the Law of God). Man is powerless (without strength...Romans 5) and the Gospel is the Power of God unto salvation; to be justified, kept, sancitified (to actually obey God's law), and glorified. (Read Romans) (Read Galatians)

Now if you desire to be justified by the law, then so be it. Tell us how you do. If you desire to be sanctified by the very commands that you are trying to obey, the so be it. Let us know how it comes out. If believe that you will receieve the inhertitance laid up for us by the works of your own flesh, then so be it. I think we know how that will turn out.

I do not apologize for my tone, honestly, I have seen far too many lives ruined...yes ruined because of bad teaching. Let's get the Gospel right folks. Let's stop seeking God for a WORD and seek God in order to understand the Word He has already given.

 2009/9/16 11:16
Logic
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Joined: 2005/7/17
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jlosinski wrote:
Are we saved by what we [i]do[/i] or by what has [i]been done[/i]?

We aer able to be saved by what has been done.
Then, we are saved by what we have done.
We obey the command to faith with repentance as proof of that faith.

If we do not put our innate faith on/on Christ & what He has said & done with repentance to prove that faith is on HIM, then we will not have eternal life.

Do not argue the words "innate faith".
All mankind has faith; this is obvious and unable to be argued against. Most people only put their faith in/on the wrong things to save them.
They are able to but their own faith onto the correct object, which is Christ.

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Are you saved by [i]grace[/i], then kept by [i]works[/i]?

Yes, in that order. However, there is no mesurable time between the two.

By Grace, through faith.
Faith without work is dead; we are kept in Christ through living faith to a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time:
[b]1Peter 1:5[/b] [color=990000]the ones being kept by the ability of God [b]through faith[/b] [/color] (not dead faith) [color=990000]to a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. [/color]
IOW, God is able to keep us until the end through faith (having works as proof of that faith) as long as we chose to keep it on Him.

 2009/9/16 15:24Profile





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