Now hold on guys. This may be the way we behave out in the street but were not on the street corner here we are in a family, or so I thought.
Here's another thing. I'll keep it a little basic so people can actually understand what I'm saying. Why in the world would the Apostle go from Chapters 5 & 6 (dealing with the believer)to chapter 7 (dealing with the unbeliever) then back to chapter 8 (dealing once more with the believer)? Is it because he forgot what he wanted to say to them so he had to bring it back up? Why in the world? That's a whole lot of nonsense. But the way I see it is, you're missing one of the main points of the New Covenant and also a great blessing by believing that this chapter was dealing with the non-believer. Are there not Christian people who are struggling with sin? Yes, there are. And I don't say this from a harsh spirit, I say it out of concern that the reason for it is that they are believing the same lie that you are. Romans 6, 7, & 8 cannot be separated. It's trying to cross a bridge with no middle. It's tring to build a home with no roof. It has leaks and they're coming from somewhere, but where? Exactly my point. Romans 7 is for the believer. If they throw it out, they'll continue to have the same old problems with sin because they are still under the Law of Moses. I know what it is to stumble and get up stumble and get up. But now I'm knowing freedom in the New Covenant and NOT the Old Law. His Blood Still Sets Men Free!!!The Evangelist
i agree with the evangelists post. that's good stuff. i'd really like to hear moreanthony
Hi theevangelist, in Romans 7:17 it saysand now it is no longer I that work it, but the sin dwelling in me,(YLT)Can the sin dwell in a person and the Holy Spirit also dwell in a person at the same time?
_________________Mark Nash
Why in the world would the Apostle go from Chapters 5 & 6 (dealing with the believer)to chapter 7 (dealing with the unbeliever) then back to chapter 8 (dealing once more with the believer)? Is it because he forgot what he wanted to say to them so he had to bring it back up? Why in the world? That's a whole lot of nonsense.
_________________Ron Bailey
I don't usually get involved into theological debates, it's not my "cup of tea". (Having said this, I must say that I do have a large collection of theological works on my shelves - and I do read theology). But two things made me jump off my chair reading this last post.1)
Why in the world would the Apostle go from Chapters 5 & 6 (dealing with the believer)to chapter 7 (dealing with the unbeliever) then back to chapter 8 (dealing once more with the believer)?
I would like to suggest that the whole of Chaps 6 and 7 can be read as a parenthesis
But let me add something quickly: chapter 6 can only be seen and not merely understood. That is we need revelation to see the significance of Romans 6, and that is where mere theology fails.
OK so what are we saying here? You have revelation but I have mere theology?
I am familiar with the opinion that Romans 7 is Paul's current testimony; I just don't believe it, and am quite prepared to tell you why.
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And I do accept that I could be wrong, but right now, as far as I got in my spiritual pilgrimage; I understand that Paul speaks here of a believer.