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White_Stone
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 First Evidence of Gov’t Telling us How to Live in Obamacare

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Naturally, advocates of a single payer, socialistic healthcare system laugh off such worries and say “it’ll never happen here”

If you'd gone around in 1910 saying "In 30 years Germans will be loading trainloads of people into incinerators," the politest response you could have hoped for would have been "it'll never happen."

We need to pray like we have never prayed before, for strength to stand by the truth.

White Stone


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Janice

 2009/7/25 11:09Profile









 Re: First Evidence of Gov’t Telling us How to Live in Obamacare


George Orwell defined totalitarian socialism in his famous work; 1984. He described the most high leader of this society as "BIG BROTHER". BB ordained how we think, how we worship, and how we live; all for our own good, of course. Orwell also identified the intent of a phrase we now take for granted; "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS." This is conformity to the ideas of the state; a "Party Member."


This article you posted typifies the thought trains, and the subtle intimidations that force a society into conformity. What you do, or say, must be in line with our perceptions for what is good for everyone. There is no good or evil; only mores' set by the elite, for the good of the plurality. These ideas of social permissiveness as per the laws of the state fly directly into the eyes of Republican Democracy, but more so into the Truth of the Gospel. It is here that the gospel is OUTLAWED!...AND FOR THIS VERY REASON.


The gospel will not conform to the rule of man in the moral arena; the arena of truth and goodness and Holiness. These belong to God alone as ruler; and in the end, the gospel is hated by Man.



I prove this by the most simple facts. Everywhere that Total Socialism was ever instituted; Russia, China, North Korea, to name some, The Gospel was outlawed. In China today we have many, many imprisoned, and in North Korea yesterday a Christian sister was executed for smuggling bibles.


In Europe, for example, you can be jailed for Hate Speech; inciteful and derogatory rhetoric against another or society or group. As a gospel minister, you can be jailed, imprisoned for saying that a homosexual lifestyle is sinful, and will lead you to Hell, or certainly by speaking out that Allah is not God at all, but a devil, and that Mohamed was a lying and false prophet.



Of course that is all the truth, but it is offensive. There is an offense of the Gospel that Society will not tolerate, so society, in the face of aggressive socialism, attacks the church by controlling the laws, and the way people THINK.


Divide and Conquer! After much propaganda Russia was taken, along with China and Mao. Of course it could never happen here!


I believe that Radical total socialism is driven by nothing less than the spirit of anti-Christ itself, and this alone is it real goal; to eradicate holy faith upon the earth, and establish a throne for it's master. That is the authentic MARK of the BEAST, I think.


There have been more MARTYRS in these countries for the cause of Christ than we know....thousands and tens of thousands...but it could never happen here. after all, we're Americans!

 2009/7/25 12:11









 Re: First Evidence of Gov’t Telling us How to Live in Obamacare

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We need to pray like we have never prayed before, for strength to stand by the truth.

Is our citizenship in heaven or on the earth?

Our response to what is taking place in the world is, "thy will be done O LORD".

We've grown up in a system that protects our rights as Christians, but at what cost? We are weaklings when it comes to standing for the truth of Gods word. These "rights" have snuffed out our voice, it has robbed us of what it means to live godly in this life. Righteousness is something that is only spoken or done in the four walls of a building.

Nay, we have been robbed and this liberty that we have in America, it is strangling the Church. Our only liberty is found in Christ Jesus our LORD. Let Him come to our defence, let Him come to our rescue, not the laws of these United States of America.

God Bless

 2009/7/25 12:59
White_Stone
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Dear Deep Thinker,

You quoted me, "We need to pray like we have never prayed before, for strength to stand by the truth."

Then you said, "Our only liberty is found in Christ Jesus our LORD. Let Him come to our defence, let Him come to our rescue, not the laws of these United States of America."

I certainly hope you did not think I was suggesting we pray to 'fix' this worldly govt.

I thank you and BrotherTom for your replies, and I pray for all the readers of this fine forum.

Regards,
White Stone


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Janice

 2009/7/25 20:01Profile
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Hi DeepThinker...

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Is our citizenship in heaven or on the earth?

Both. Paul invoked his temporary citizenship in Acts 22:25-28 in order to avoid being flogged...and as a means to use the Roman legal system in order to "appeal unto Caesar" and take the Gospel to Rome. While our eternal citizenship might be in Heaven, we are still individuals who live in the place that God placed us "for such a time as this" (Esther 4:14). We are subjects to the laws of this land...and can use our placement in this fallen world as a means to shine the light of Christ.
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We are weaklings when it comes to standing for the truth of Gods word. These "rights" have snuffed out our voice, it has robbed us of what it means to live godly in this life. Righteousness is something that is only spoken or done in the four walls of a building.

Nay, we have been robbed and this liberty that we have in America, it is strangling the Church. Our only liberty is found in Christ Jesus our LORD.

While this is true, the problem is not the liberty found in this nation's laws. Would you rather live in communist oppression? Men who have struggled through the hardship of living in a closed society (like Brother Richard Wurmbrand, tortured for years in Communist Russia and Romania before being founding [i]Voice of the Martyrs[/i]) [u]urged[/u] believers to petition the U.S. Government on behalf of persecuted believers around the world. The problem is NOT the liberty of believers, but of the laziness of people who aren't persecuted.

I believe that this gift...or living in a relatively non-restrictive nation...is akin to a "talent" given to each of us. What will we do with this gift? Will we use it to produce a harvest...an increase? Will we merely use it to claim even MORE physical or political freedoms? Or will we live for Christ in this place and do what we can so that others might know Him too?

I certainly believe in the ability of believers to vote...and to share our "voice" to a government "of the people, for the people and by the people." I don't believe that Christians must "shut up" simply because we know and serve Christ first. I have a family...and it is my responsibility as a believing husband to take care of their needs. We are, after all, called to shine our light to the world -- and not "hide it under a bushel" of "separated" faith (Matthew 5:14-16). However, such a voice is only a temporary solution for our temporary citizenship here on Earth. Our reason for living is to know, fellowship with and worship the Lord and to introduce Him to those living in the world around us.

Our temporary citizenship is in the nation that God has placed us...but our Eternal citizenship remains in Christ.

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