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| Re: MUST HEAR: From Babylon to Jerusalem (series) | | May I ask, who is the series by? Thanks.
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| 2009/4/27 7:59 | Profile | sermonindex Moderator
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May I ask, who is the series by? Thanks.
Zac Poonen. I have added his name to this sorry for forgetting to do that. I personally highly recommend this series to pastors, ministry leaders and all Christians. I believe it is a very prophetic call to our generation for a pure and true Church. _________________ SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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| Re: | | Thanks for posting this... I'm listening to the sermons now and this is a rather prophetic call for the true, overcoming Church of the last days. _________________ Gabriel
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Online! | Re: | | There is such a clear call in these teachings to overcome in these confusing days of Christendom. _________________ SI Moderator - Greg Gordon
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| 2009/6/27 21:48 | Profile | Pandora-B Member
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| Re: MUST HEAR: From Babylon to Jerusalem by Zac Poonen (series) | | ~ Hello,
I'm familar with instructions about those who are of Babylon.
As some believe they are of: - The Country 0f America - New York City - The Catholic Church - The Apostate Church in General
I've discussed all these interpretations on many forums for years.
And I'd to ask if anyone here has heard that 'Mystery Babylon' will be of The Great City Jerusalem during The Great Tribulation?
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Pandora-B wrote:
And I'd to ask if anyone here has heard that 'Mystery Babylon' will be of The Great City Jerusalem during The Great Tribulation?
Thanks.
This is Scripturally impossible - both from the O.T. prophecies and Revelation.
Six times in Revelation 18 the words "no more at all" are mentioned regarding Babylon. The Greek for this phrase are 6 emphatic double negatives in Rev 18:14, 21, 22, 23 -
G2089 ετι et'-ee Perhaps akin to G2094; yet, still (of time or degree): - after that, also, ever, (any) further, (t-) henceforth (more), hereafter, (any) longer, (any) more (-one), now, still, yet.
G3364 ου μή ou mē oo may That is, G3756 and G3361; a double negative strengthening the denial; not at all: - any more, at all, by any (no) means, neither, never, no (at all), in no case (wise), nor ever, not (at all, in any wise). Compare G3378.
Again, no more at all.. ~ " Shall find them no more at all " . "Doubled-double negative with future active. As emphatic a negation as the Greek can make." {Robertsons)
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Rev 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia. [b]And her smoke rose up for everH5331 and everH5331. [/b]
H5331, twice, makes this a double emphatic.
Jeremiah 50:39, 40 & 51:26, 62 plus more state that Babylon will burn forever and not be inhabited 'forever & ever.'
The point being - that Jesus returns to the Mt. of Olives and will rule from Jerusalem. Just skimming Zechariah 14:1-21 will prove that Christ is coming to 'rescue' Jerusalem, not destroy her with fire forever & ever but will do so to Babylon for what she's done to Jerusalem/Zion.
Jer 51:24, 49 with many etc.s.
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| 2009/9/14 1:03 | | Pandora-B Member
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| Re: | | ~ Thanks for the reply, and I agree.
You are right it is not Jerusalem it's self. For we see "The Beloved City" "The Camp 0f The Saints" during the 1,000 yrs. - Rev.20 Which will not be destroyed.
But Jerusalem's Babyloian-Harlotry will be destroyed once and for all.
Because as "Daughter 0f The Chaldeans" "O Virgin Daughter 0f Babylon" God gave her "The Milstone" of a Slave to serve out her Babyloian Harlotry. Isaiah 47:2
Listen as she whispers without a Throne from her low place in the dust Who she claims as her 'Redeemer'. "The Holy One 0f Israel". Is.47:4
Jerusalem's Milstone is of Slavery serving as a Harlot. But Harlotry will be thrown down into the sea. For it's better to marry than to Burn with Lust. "True & Righteousness are His Judgments BECAUSE He has Judged The Great Harlot" Rev.19:2
For the Last time God will judge her Harlotry. As The Babylonian daughter.
For she will continue to say: "I Will Not Sit As A Widow" - Is.47:8
"I Sit As Queen I Am No Widow." - Rev.18:7
"Sit Without A Throne" - Is.47:1
"How Lonely Sits The City (Jerusalem) how like A Widow is she". - Lam.1:1,8
Because of God' splender she was clothed in beautifiul clothes, Jewels, with a Crown 0f Royalty. But Jerusalme trusts her beauty and plays the Harlot. - Ez.16
God will give Jerusalem her two Harlot Sisters as Daughters. Making Jerusalem The Mother 0f Harlots. Ez.16:55,61 - Rev.17:5
It is God Who'll put The Cup in Jerusalem's Hand. Ez.23:31-33 - Rev.17:4
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| Re: | | Hi Pandora, I'm afraid you've mixed "two whores" up with each other. One repents in the end - the other 'will not' repent and is utterly destroyed forever.
We know from Hosea - by who he married and the story that comes from that union, that Israel did, is & will play the harlot, but Babylon is a totally different entity. Different "cup" as well.
None of the verses in the Revelation about Babylon can be given to Jerusalem. Those few from Ezekiel do speak to Israel but I'm afraid that the rest are to the one and only Babylon that will be punished & remain desolate 'forever and ever' for what it has done [i]to[/i] Zion.
[u]The days of Jacob's troubles will come[/u] - but The Lord has never called Israel nor Jerusalem "Babylon - the Mother of Harlots" - nor "that City" of John's Revelation.
Not to debate, just for the sake of debate, but we must be very careful with our 'pronouncements' upon Jerusalem. Presently, it is still in the hands of the UNgodly, but we must never confuse or mix Scriptures to pour more on her then His Word clearly states lest we pronounce a curse ourselves upon her that GOD has never spoken toward her.
Thank you for your consideration.
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| 2009/9/14 14:03 | | Pandora-B Member
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| Re: | | ~ How should it be considered that in The Great Tribulation Jerusalem will be spiritually called Sodam & Egypt? - Rev.11:8
God said, it was Him Who gave Jerusalem A Crown. - Ez.16:12
The Woman John saw go into The Wilderness is The Woman John went into The Wilderness after 3.5 yrs to see The Judgment 0f. Rev.12:6,14 Rev.17:3
Jerusalem is the only Land Mass on earth which God said He entered into a Covenant with by His Own Oath. - Ez.16:8
Although God gave Israel A Certificate 0f Divorce to put her away from Him. - Jer.3:8 He is still married to her. - Jer.3:14
And to Jerusalem The Land Mass 0f His Covenant He says she will know the Abomination of her Harlotry - Ez.16:1
God said that Jerusalem along w/her Daughters Samaria & Sodam will return to their Former State. - Ez.16:55
After all God said Jerusalem's navel cord was never cut. Ez.16:4,9-15
God said He will Judge Jerusalem as of women who break wedlock 0r Sheds Blood, Is Judged. - Ez.16:38
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the One who kills The Prophets and stones those sent to her.-Mat.23:37
John saw The Woman drunk with The Blood 0f The Saints. - Rev.17:6
Rejoice over her O heavens and you holy Apostles & Prophets for God has avengded you on her. Rev.18:20
For Jerusalem, God will deal with her as she has done, who despised The Oath by breaking The Covenant.-Ez.16:59
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