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KingJimmy
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Good question. In part of what I have understood about the gospel, we as believers are by nature protestors. What makes me different than the unbeliever at the same rally is that while I might post a sign or raise my voice about an issue, I don't operate under the delusion that this world is all that there is. Nor am I seeking to hold onto it by effecting political change. While passing through this world as a pilgrim, I seek to adjust things in this temporary world. I'm not seeking to build a kingdom in this world like many who partake in politics. Nor do I hope to bring about some everlasting change in the kingdoms of this world. But that doesn't mean I don't adjust the climate wherever I may reside for the time being.

*edit* When I stay at a hotel for but a few days, I adjust the thermostat as close as possible to my liking. By no means do I hope to stay in the hotel forever, I just seek to make it more like "home" as much as possible, though I know it shall never be such.


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Jimmy H

 2009/4/16 14:09Profile
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Dear Krispy,

Glad you asked him to go into detail, Krispy. I understood clearly that time. Thanks for phrasing it so precisely, KingJimmy. It makes it understandable how a Christian could take part in a Tea Party and not just to witness.

Kind regards,
white stone


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Janice

 2009/4/16 14:36Profile









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I just don't see protesting taxes in the N.T..

Guess "I'm" the dumb hillbilly.

I can see Peacefully taking a stand against abortion though... but taxes? - just can't find any justification in The Book.

Forgive my asking.

 2009/4/16 14:44









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Dear brother Krispy...not so long ago you described a new realtionship with the Lord, how great it was and so on. Can I ask you, is it sustained? Beware of politics, it will quench the Spirit quicker than anything that I know. Just for the record, I thought the voice of the poeple were heard in the elections? If people do not like what they see now, then the majority should vote against it next time around. I think the percieved, and possibly real perception of a majority of this country is, "where were the tea party's when President Bush was in power?" And so, it seems like just another small political movement. Lets put all of our hope in Jesus to turn this nation around. Remember, the Jewish people detested tax's, nothing much has changed.

Jesus put the issue to rest when He said to render unto Caesur what is Caesur's and unto God what is God." And remember that Paul confirms this teaching, and under a despot like Nero who certainly did not use the tax's wisely, that was not the point. Nero used much of the tax's to persecute, it the most horrendous ways, our brothers and sisters. So I say, lets not live in fear and paranoi, but live as unto God knowing that persecution is coming. So it is vital that you stay near to Jesus. Throw yourself into the political arena and you will quench the Spirit of God in you..........brother Frank

 2009/4/16 15:40
HomeFree89
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 Re: Tea Party's

I may draw some flack for asking this, but I think this question bears asking. Do you think these tea parties are biblical and have the spirit of Christ behind them?

Jesus said, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's" Do you think that Caesar (not a godly man) used the money for good things? Probably not! But Jesus still paid taxes to him.

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By the way... I think the "tea parties" are GREAT! This is what made America great. Common everyday people demanding that they be heard.



Do you really think that the Boston Tea Party was a good thing? It appears to be rebellion. I'm not saying we shoulds go along and do the ungodly things, but again, Jesus paid taxes to an ungodly government.


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Jordan

 2009/4/16 17:08Profile
KingJimmy
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I may draw some flack for asking this, but I think this question bears asking. Do you think these tea parties are biblical and have the spirit of Christ behind them?



There is a major difference between our times and then. Rome was an occupying force in Judea. They ruled with an oppressive military hand. You didn't protest their occupation unless you wanted to lose your head. Thankfully, we live in a country where this is not the case, and indeed, our very founding documents encourage us to publicly air our grievances with the government in a civil and peaceful manner.

We can do such, and still render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's. If you are in the position to do so, do you not express concerns about how to better run whatever company you may work for? If you are involved in a local club of some sort, do you not express concerns about how to better run the organization?

If we can express our grievances in these contexts, then why not express them in a government such as ours? After all, our government is "by the people, for the people, and of the people." Our elected officials need our feedback on a regular basis, and not simply on election day. If they "represent" us, then we need to express what we think on a given issue so that they can vote accordingly.

These things are not contrary to kingdom principles. It's simply part of being "in the world." Though, we must never be of it.


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Jimmy H

 2009/4/16 17:53Profile
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Hey KingJimmy

I don't take part in things that pertain to politics or the government. I have my reasons for that but its is a whole other thread:-) I just wanted to say I really enjoyed your pictures and thanks for sharing them.Looks like it was a lovely day there. We are finally getting sunshine here:-)

Have a great day
Your little sis in Him

 2009/4/16 18:19Profile









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Php 2:13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Php 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings,
Php 2:15 so that you may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation. Among these you shine as lights in the world,
Php 2:16 holding forth the Word of Life, so that I may rejoice with you in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain nor labored in vain.

 2009/4/16 20:17
KingJimmy
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"Murmurings and disputings" is about cancerous and abusive speech that is done under one's breath. It is not the expression of disagreements on opinions and issues of policy.


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Jimmy H

 2009/4/16 22:48Profile









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Dear brother Krispy...not so long ago you described a new realtionship with the Lord, how great it was and so on. Can I ask you, is it sustained?



Are you kidding me? I mean really....are you kidding me?

Since Krispy is using tremendous self-control by not responding, I will be the one to defend him.

Appolus, please try not to mask your arrogance with scripture and spiritual talk.


 2009/4/16 23:25





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