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 Re: Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden

Hi dmoney,

The quotes you make are especially interesting to anyone who has not studied political writings. The ease with which an entire population settles in under political 'servitude' was addressed by a Frenchman in the same century as Luther was writing about it from a spiritual point of view.

The definitive translation of Etienne de la Boetie's acclaimed 'Discourse of Voluntary Servitude', was made by Harry Kurz in 1942, when these issues were at the top of some people's minds. It appears in more than one site online. I read it some years ago in association literature on the Reformation. The whole matter of who the individual should obey, and from whence comes the authority of any [i]man[/i], was a hot topic in those days, (about a century before the political writings which have shaped current democracies).

But Tyndale (also 16th century) puts a different spin on the Christian response to the issue of bearing up under dictatorship, declaring in the introduction to his Old Testament, that as things are described in the Bible, they always will be; God has revealed His mind fully through His written word; that if 'we' find ourselves being ruled by tyrrants whose cruelties lead to the death of some saints, then with patient endurance we must suffer, nay, even die, still waiting for God's judgement against them in eternity.

What I notice most about clause [7] above, is that it doesn't prohibit the named activities to citizens currently. Nor, perhaps, to teenagers who join the Brigade. But for sure it will interfere with the deeper commitment to God's work of mature men and women. Finally, it might force a person to choose whether they are known as a citizen of the US, [u]or[/u] a citizen of heaven, for the two would become mutually exclusive as the years go by.

 2009/4/20 5:37









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Perhaps "free" America is turning into a "socialist" China? Well then, this might work together for good, seeing the great revival that has swept China the last 50 years. As the times get worse, may the sons of light shine brighter!

It's a trap for Christians to get caught up in politics. Our business is prayer and preaching. We can do more good by our prayers than in getting consumed with every new law and agenda and writing to Congress and holding political banners. We know the enemy is at work, so let us not sleep, but be at work as well, working to win souls for the Kingdom. He comes quickly.

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But Tyndale (also 16th century) puts a different spin on the Christian response to the issue of bearing up under dictatorship, declaring in the introduction to his Old Testament, that as things are described in the Bible, they always will be; God has revealed His mind fully through His written word; that if 'we' find ourselves being ruled by tyrrants whose cruelties lead to the death of some saints, then with patient endurance we must suffer, nay, even die, still waiting for God's judgement against them in eternity.



What a trap it is to tempt Christians to fight with their hands. You live by the sword, you die by the sword, and you perish in Hell for being a murderer. Our weapons are not carnal, but spiritual, mighty through God. Let us trust in the power of the Holy Spirit in these final hours, and not in the machinery and craftiness of men. Let us not take vengeance into our own hands, for vengeance belongs to the Lord. Satan will continue to snare many -so be one of the few who are blessed by God as peacemakers. And if you're storing up guns in your closet to try to fight your way to safety in the times ahead, God Himself will rebuke you. Don't trust in chariots, don't go to Egypt for help, but trust solely in the Lord.

 2009/4/20 13:30









 Re: Thanks for the post. Our apostil told about a dream he had at church tonight.

Thanks for the comments. It is solid spiritual instruction and I hope the rest of the church in America is as ready as the last to post seam to be. The preaching that I have heard in most churches gives me an over whelming since that they are not ready!

Ezekiel 33:6

6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood

Corinthians 14:8


"For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"


You are very right our weapons are not carnal, but we must still be ready for battle. The thing is most in Americas don’t seem to know there is one. Chinese saints know, maybe it will be good for us after all. Our apostil to Indonesia told us to night he had a dream that countries were submitting their countries to the leadership of the antichrist. We have never heard him say any thing like that before. He is probably the most anointed man I know. I pray God’s grace would be ever increasing on his children!

 2009/4/23 2:17









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as ready as the last to post seam to be

It is indeed relative. I'm more ready than I used to be, and that is in part due to the ministry of this site, which brings together brethern of various callings and maturity. For many years I prayed (honestly) that I would not be called upon to be tortured for Christ. Only latterly do I understand that He gives grace for the day. I used to think I had to have it all sorted long before the event. Now I really appreciate Jesus' word 'Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.'

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Our apostil to Indonesia told us to night he had a dream that countries were submitting their countries to the leadership of the antichrist.

Your apostle's dream confirms one aspect of David Wilkerson's Vision (described in his book The Vision).

Additionally, there is a Finnish brother with a ministry to the saints, trying to warn of false doctrine. His English is improving all the time, but even some years ago when he was more of a novice, the love of God shone through his teaching papers. I suggest you google him - PetriFB - to see that a similar message is coming from another part of the globe.

 2009/4/23 4:18





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