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White_Stone
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 Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden

(Edit: I have formatted the text from the bill to help you understand)
H.R.1388
GIVE Act (Placed on Calendar in Senate)

SEC. 1304.[b] PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.[/b]

Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:

`SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

`(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

`(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

`(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

`(3) Assisting, promoting, or deterring union organizing.

`(4) Impairing existing contracts for services or collective bargaining agreements.

`(5) Engaging in partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to any public office.

`(6) Participating in, or endorsing, events or activities that are likely to include advocacy for or against political parties, political platforms, political candidates, proposed legislation, or elected officials.

`(7)[b][color=CC3333] Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.[/color][/b]
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Found this through a search here:

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c111query.html

select: Browse by Bill Number

When that page opens use your Browser's [b]Edit\Find[/b] and type in H.R.1388

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Hope there will be no one telling me I am imagining things. . . .

white stone


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Janice

 2009/3/24 19:26Profile









 Re: Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden

Could you explain what this might be all about. Did the search thingy, couldn't find it.

 2009/3/24 19:52
dunlow64God
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 Re: Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden

So, basically, if the youths become a volunteer in one of these organizations, they can't worhsip or go to church??? I'm confused about this. I guess I should try to keep up with current events better. Are these volunteers voluntary or are they chosen to volunteer? And what kind of volunteering is it? Like the Peace Corps? I'm sorry that I have so many questions, I just feel that this is important and I would like to know what is going on! Thanks!
In Christ,
Wendy

 2009/3/24 20:05Profile
MaryJane
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Greetings Deepthinker

This has to do with the bill that was recently passed concerning the volunteer movement that Obama wants. Here is a link to an article about the bill itself. The bill does not say that they can not go to church I believe it is saying that the volunteer work that will be required can not be apart of any church or faith based service. Another words you can not help out at church and meet the requirement. I believe what it is saying is that the government will determine what is acceptable volunteer service to meet the requirements or obligations. As of now the bill is written in such away that states this will be a volunteer program but they are seeking to make it mandatory for all citizens. This is my understanding at least.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92288

I hope it is ok to post this link here, if not then I will gladly take it down.

God Bless
MJ

Edit: I just had my husband read over the bill and his take is that this is saying that anyone in the volunteer service can not use any funds or time, or resources to promote anything to do with Christianity or religion, another words while your volunteering for x amount of hours monthly you can not share with others or in any way promote your faith or christian beliefs. Your just there to work not try to promote your views. This is his take on this. Anyone else have any thoughts???

 2009/3/24 20:10Profile
White_Stone
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The bill does not say that they can not go to church I believe it is saying that the volunteer work that will be required can not be apart of any church or faith based service.



Dear MaryJane,

The Bill clearly says
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SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

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`(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.



I edited my original post, so it may be easier to understand.

If you follow the directions I posted you should be able to find the Bill.

Regards,
white stone


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Janice

 2009/3/24 20:27Profile
MaryJane
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Greetings white_stone

I was just offering my thoughts on what I read and how I interpreted what it says. The writing in these bills can some times be confusing to say the least. Some times I find I need to read through them a few times just to understand all the legal jargon:-)

Anyway thanks for posting this. Its good to be aware of how quickly things are moving.

God bless
MJ

 2009/3/24 20:41Profile
theopenlife
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I concur with Mary_Jane, this prohibition pertains to what organizations are illegible to apply for volunteer aid.

My understanding is that volunteers will be sent to help out at various business, non-profits, etc. In order to enlist volunteer aid, such businesses or non-profit groups must not have a stated religious purpose.

 2009/3/24 22:47Profile









 Re: Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden

run2win posted this on p9 of the Tea Party's thread, and as a non-American, I'm fascinated by what seems to the be a grwoing discrepancy between the rights you [i]think[/i] you have, and the day-by-day fact of legislation which [i]seems[/i] to fall short of the Bill.

'US Bill of Rights
Amendment 1
[b]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.[/b]

[url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=28383&forum=48&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0]Tea Party's[/url]


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[7] Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.

:-o ?

 2009/4/19 19:04
Miccah
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The Lord is sovereign.

If God is with us, who can be against us?


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Christiaan

 2009/4/19 20:54Profile









 Re: Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden

Quote from our Pres.,”We can not continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

“People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve….I will set a gold for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year...”

These are [excerpts] from Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky “The disruption of the present organization is the first step towards community organization…..All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new.” and Saul Alinsky, the Marxist”organizer” disciples mentored Obama.


Michelle Obama quotes Saul saying we will not stand for the world as it is and we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be .This comes from the 2nd chapter of Rules for radicals.

You have to understand Marxism to under stand what is happening I would recommend reading the Rightwing extremist report by Home Land Security. I find the consistent association of Christian values with white supremacy extremely disturbing considering Obama spent 20 years at a so-called church pastured by Jeremiah Write who operates in black liberation theology. Jesus said judge a tree by its fruit.


Here is another Marxist quote “A really efficient state would be one in which the all powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned …to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers.” [Brave New World by Aldous Huxley]

This is a quote from Berit Kjos article Training a Socialist Army of World servers. It states “There’s nothing wrong with the old voluntary, personal service to the poor and needy. For centuries, Christian missionaries have given their lives and comforts to serve God among the sick, hungry and dying people in distant parts of the world…..They demonstrated His love ,shared His lifesaving truths , and brought hope as well as help to the needy.

Obama’s new plan is quite different. Aimed at socialist change, it will raise “religious” boundaries, limit free speech, and band divisive truths. It must be tolerant of today’s amoral values and militantly intolerant toward traditional values. And-like the tactics outlined in Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals-it would use deception and “agitation” to create conflict, and the Hegelian/Marxist dialectic process to manipulate minds and establish the planed solidarity.

Matt.24:22-25 you can’t fool the Holy Ghost! Matt.25:1-13 be wise make sure you have oil in your jars 1 John 2:27 the anointing teaches you about all things!!!!!!!!

 2009/4/20 1:21





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