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graceamazed
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If you can swig a beer and smoke a cigarette...and then step into the pulpit and preach with a clean conscience and with divine unction, this also is good.



Now this is an arguement that I can get behind! Based on this foundation I will seek to pursuade people all day long of their need to abstain from such practices. If someone is smoking or drinking against their conscience then they must stop! And not only that, but He will give them the power to follow through with the conviction He has placed on their heart. From this perspective of "destroying the body" I am in complete alliance. This obivously echos Paul's advice not to eat meat or drink wine if your conscience tells you otherwise, lest it is sin for you.

I'll see what I can do about getting my hands on some of the sermons from brothers whom I personally know who have an occasional cigar or glass of wine. I'll PM them to you when I'm able to.


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Buck Yates

 2009/2/4 15:16Profile
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James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not to him it is sin.


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 2009/2/4 15:39Profile
PaulWest
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I'll see what I can do about getting my hands on some of the sermons from brothers whom I personally know who have an occasional cigar or glass of wine. I'll PM them to you when I'm able to.


I thought you were going to recommend I peruse the collected sermons of C. H. Spurgeon :)

The thing I'm getting at is that a candy bar may be destructive to me, to the effect that it defiles my conscience if I eat it in disobedience to God's inner working in my life. If the Lord has been dealing with me on health issues; on excessive weight gain, dangerous blood-sugar levels, etc. and has regulated my intake of junk food as a result, my eating of the candy bar will defile my temple through disobedience. Another person may eat the same chocolate bar and not experience the pang of God's correction. God works with us on a case-by-case basis with these things.

But with alcohol and cigarettes, we run into a much more complicated issue. If an unbeliever observes me eating a chocolate bar, he will think nothing of it (even if I am disobeying God while I eat it), but if the same unbeliever observes me drink a beer or light up a cigarette, a check will immediately go off in his/her heart (even if I am drinking and smoking to my own preserved conscience). Unbelievers intrinsically know that real Christians should not smoke or drink - not even ocassionally. Don't ask me why or how this is - it's just the stark reality of how this world operates.

Did you know that the only way a person can leave certain notorious gangs (without being killed through the "blood-out" law), is by an open confession to Christianity? But there's a catch: the converted member is closely monitored. If he or she is seen smoking or drinking, a hit is put out on them. They are considered fake Christians, and all deals for their safety are off.

This is how the world, controlled by Satan, sees the influence of tobacco and alcohol and how hypocritical it can make professed believers to appear. This, in my opinion, trumps the believer's own "settled conscience" for the matter. It's different from eating Doritos and drinking Dr. Pepper. Now, if I want my testimony to shine, I need to be careful what I allow in my life, and what other people observe me do. I don't see believers who choose to drink and smoke as unchristian, but unbelievers certainly see them as fake, or in the least acknowledge that something is very wrong with their walks. Intrinsically, unbelievers know not to take them seriously, especially if they attempt to preach against sin and worldliness. The world simply will not take them seriously, and God will not back their words to dissolve the suspicions of the unbelievers.


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Paul Frederick West

 2009/2/4 15:43Profile
graceamazed
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But with alcohol and cigarettes, we run into a much more complicated issue. If an unbeliever observes me eating a chocolate bar, he will think nothing of it (even if I am disobeying God while I eat it), but if the same unbeliever observes me drink a beer or light up a cigarette, a check will immediately go off in his/her heart (even if I am drinking and smoking to my own preserved conscience). Unbelievers intrinsically know that real Christians should not smoke or drink - not even ocassionally. Don't ask me why or how this is - it's just the stark reality of how this world operates.



In some countries the Christians (and non-Christians) view "Christian" women that wear their hair short or that apply make-up as not being "real" Christians or as being compromised. We, here in America, don't typically associate these traits as being a sign of a weak Christian, could it be that we culturally put more of an emphasis on alcohol and smoking than other issues of equal magnitude?

By the way, was this "Spurgeon" guy some great preacher or something? ;-)


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Buck Yates

 2009/2/4 16:09Profile
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Changed my mind about what I asked in this post. Not important anyway.

God Bless
MJ

 2009/2/4 16:21Profile
PaulWest
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In some countries the Christians (and non-Christians) view "Christian" women that wear their hair short or that apply make-up as not being "real" Christians or as being compromised. We, here in America, don't typically associate these traits as being a sign of a weak Christian, could it be that we culturally put more of an emphasis on alcohol and smoking than other issues of equal magnitude?


There are some sects here in the USA that regard women's hair length and make-up as a validity gauge as well, but I don't know of any [i]unbelievers[/i] in the United States that regard women's hair and make-up as factors with true Christians. Not unless they've been indoctrinated. But the alcohol and tobacco factor? It is unanimous...and not only in this country. Those are things God [i]delivers[/i] people from, generally. Even unbelievers accept and expect it as such.

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By the way, was this "Spurgeon" guy some great preacher or something?


You know it ;-)

He was a cigar smoker, as you know. That is, until the unbelievers found out and publicized it widely. He was rightly compelled to quit the habit as result. Now, replace cigar (or pipe) with peanuts or ice cream. Could Satan still use it against him, and cause "no small stir"?

There's just something about tobacco that the world expects us as Christians to eschew, and that the Lord will not endorse in our lives before unbelievers...and the same, of course, goes for alcohol. Even when both substances are still permissive to the conscience of the believer.


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Paul Frederick West

 2009/2/4 16:36Profile
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"I was speaking to a Christian once who was smoking cigarettes. I asked him if he would ever smoke a cigarette inside a church building? He said he would never do that because a church building was the house of God. I told him that it was his body that was the house of God and not some church-building. You would not commit adultery inside a church-building, would you? You would not watch internet pornography inside a church either. Your body is the house of God, when Christ lives within. So be careful what you do with the members of your body. Habits like smoking, drinking, taking harmful drugs and allowing impure thoughts to enter your mind will gradually destroy your body and your mind."



Excellent! This is a keeper! Thanks for posting this - it is so powerful!

ginnyrose


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Sandra Miller

 2009/2/4 18:39Profile
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 Re: Is Smoking a sin ????

I guess by now God has already put the answer in your heart as to what you need to do. but I thought I will share my testimony too.
The Lord had given me victory over smoking (apart from various other vices, atleast for me it was, i.e. I could not let go of it.), quite dramatically. All my continuous resolove was of no use till He came in. Even people in my office was amazed by this dramatic deliverance.
About 6 months after that I succumed to the temptation to smoke. It felt so good and in my heart I knew it was wrong.
For reasons already mentioned in the above posts.
- my body it the temple of the living God
- my life is not my own
- I say I will foraske all, and yet I want to hold on to this habit
- I will be a stumbling block to the weaker brethren.
- Culturaly, I will bring dishonour to my Lord, since it is considered 'bad'.
- it will be a misue of the time and life God has given me
- misuse of the money God has given me
- also "passive smoking" I will be endangering others
But I just did not want to give it up, I liked it. So I started searching the web, hoping for some article that says "its ok to smoke."
But the Lord faithfully convinced me and I was able to seek Him and get the victory in this area.

As a brother has said, it is not how near to the edge of the cliff that I can walk without falling, it is how near to Jesus I can walk.
It is not about "is it right or wrong", then we go back to the fruit of good and evil, it is to be fully the Lords, the tree of life.

Let us take good care of our health, so that we live to the fulness of the age God wants us to live, to live for HIM.

Having said all this, I want to be patient with the brethren, when I was having this stuggle in my heart, God in His heart did not expose me. Truly love covers a multitude of sin.
after all is not anger worse than smoking
is not lusting worse than smoking

God loves us and will give us the victory to be fully HIS. we do not need to go into a panic introspection, but can trust the Holy Spirit to throw light on areas we need to repent and overcome.

 2009/2/22 13:40Profile
run2win
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Anything that has mastery over a believer is in competition with Christ for first place. In other words, an idol. Alcohol and tobacco are what many press into for "relief", rather than into the power of Christ and His Word--and of course, there are other things: food, sports, work, etc. When a person is caught up in addiction, he becomes a slave to that thing, letting it rule over him at the expense of his relationships both with God and with people.

God is jealous for the position of preeminence in the lives of His children and His church. All things we participate in should be for profit: advancing the Kingdom within ourselves and others. If it competes with Christ, let it go. "Masters two will never do."



 2009/2/24 13:25Profile
AbideinHim
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"Anything that has mastery over a believer is in competition with Christ for first place. In other words, an idol. Alcohol and tobacco are what many press into for "relief", rather than into the power of Christ and His Word--and of course, there are other things: food, sports, work, etc. When a person is caught up in addiction, he becomes a slave to that thing, letting it rule over him at the expense of his relationships both with God and with people."


We often allow things in our life that do not glorify God and are hurting our testimony for the simple fact that we love ourselves and our own pleasure more than we love God. It is the love of God that constrains us. If we did all things for the glory of God, then we would not be having this discusion about whether or not it is a sin to smoke. Anthing that we are enslaved to and in bondage to is sinful.

Back in the late 60'S and early 70'S I smoked pot almost every day. I had convinced myself that it was not hurting me or anybody else, and that even God didn't object, because after all, He made all of the herbs of the field. After I got saved, I thought it would be all right to be a Christian and still have an occassional smoke. One day I was reading my bible and came upon Matthew 6:24. The Lord spoke to me strongly through this scripture that I was trying to serve two masters, and that He was requiring me to make a choice as to which one I was going to serve. Thank God that I made the right choice.

Mike


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