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 Re: In defence of Whispering Word

Hi Lonny...

I can't help but wonder just what those people are looking for in a "revival." Coming from a Pentecostal background, I know a lot of people who equate "revival" with the emotional displays of worship...or tears...or outward manifestations...or excitement...etc... But is this "revival?" I know some who think that "revival" is just meeting together 24 hours a day. Is this "revival?"

What if revival is personal...when a person wakes up to the understanding that God is near to those who earnestly desire Him? What if it is a holy and fearful personal revelation of who God is -- and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him?

I have been in meetings ("camp" meetings, "revival" meetings, etc...) where most people were very, very bored. Yet for me, in those same meetings, I felt like I was standing in Heaven!

On the other hand, I have been in meetings that were supposedly "revival" -- and just seemed like a bunch of theatrical manifestations of spiritual nonsense. I've seen people do everything -- weep, cry, shout, dance, speak in tongues, prophesy, get "slain in the spirit," get "drunk in the spirit," etc... -- only to see those same people continue to live the same carnal lives the very next day (or even continue to publicly live in gross sin). Is this "revival" -- or is this a spiritual "rain dance" in which people think that God will hear them and bless them if they shout/cry/dance enough? If you ask me, many of our Churches seem no different than the prophets of Baal shouting before an altar.

I do believe that God deals with the Church collectively -- but only as a result of the collection of once-fallowed hearts that truly have been suddenly broken before God. In my view, revival is a spiritual condition -- where we "find" God after we've sought Him with all of our hearts (Jeremiah 29:13). And why do we seek? Because we want to know Him for who He is. It isn't about a building...a town...a preacher...a personality...music...a conference...supposed manifestations...etc... It is because we want Him above all things.

Was there a "revival" in Scotland? How could we pretend to know this -- unless we asked each person who was there? Is it possible that someone "woke up" to the things of God (and the truths of His Word) while others continued to slumber? If I remember correctly, there were people who mocked the disciples of Christ on the day of Pentecost after the Holy Spirit fell upon them. So, yes, God deals individually with us. We are to work out our OWN salvation...with fear and trembling.

If we don't get "what" we came for, should we point the finger at others...or at ourselves? The problem could be that we are not seeking correctly (asking amiss)...or we aren't seeking the correct thing to begin with.

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Christopher

 2008/12/19 0:48Profile
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 Re: 2, 3 and 4

Hi

No, not the same guys - although maybe asking some of the same questions


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Richard Lonsdale

 2008/12/19 3:20Profile
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 Re: what makes revival

The question re "revival" is a good one because I believe here a small, individual revivals taking place every day in people's hearts - they could be simply at home, out for a walk, praying in their bedroom or wherever and God speaks to them.. However in the context of "REVIVAL" as in some of the great revivals of the last 2/300 years then I do not believe we have seen anything like that for a long time. In the light of that then I still believe it right to challenge ourselves that when we come together as a large group of Christians seeking after God and all that happens is individual moves in people's hearts and there is no huge outpouring of the Holy Spirit then I think we are right to ask ourselves some tough questions about what that is. In the light of that is there danger that we try to "force" a move, or create a hype (aka Lakeland).

Please don't get me wrong - am not saying that individual moves of God are not important - of course they are and I rely on that as much as the next man to get through my daily walk however if we are meeting looking for REVIVAL and it doesn't appear to happen then we need to ask "why?"


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Richard Lonsdale

 2008/12/19 3:29Profile
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Please don't get me wrong - am not saying that individual moves of God are not important - of course they are and I rely on that as much as the next man to get through my daily walk however if we are meeting looking for REVIVAL and it doesn't appear to happen then we need to ask "why?"



Fair enough question. I think many things can be said here. Certainly Wednesday Night at Greenock it seemed to me we were on the brink of revival as I understand it. God came down in a powerful way. But what was happening did not meet many peoples idea of 'revival' at all. Some viewed it as a [i]distraction[/i] to any real revival and commented the next day that we needed to focus back on revival.

This is why this discussion is really healthy [u]if[/u] we can be mature and loving about it. We can't really move on until we understand what we want God to do in revival or until we are willing to raise our sails and allow Him to carry us along into what He desires for us.

One man's revival is another man's distraction. One man's awesome sermon presentation is another man's weird delivery. One is sensitive to a 'fear of God' type message as being spot on, another is listening for the 'word of His grace' that seeks to accomplish God's purpose in what ever way the Spirit chooses to do it.

Some viewed dancing before the Lord as an offense, others saw it as evidence that the Ark of God was coming into the camp again. There were David's and there were Michal's. Some are content to try to steady the Ark of God also, while others tremble knowing that God's presence brings [i]swift[/i] judgment (i.e. Ananias and Sapphira, etc.).

Some want God to come down and validate what they have been teaching, preaching and [i]writing[/i] about for years. Some may have publications they want to move or web sites they want attended. I heard a little joke the other day that asked how to make God laugh; 'tell him your plans.' I thought that was good.

Beloved, God is not going to bless us with anything that is not part of His divine purposes. I believe our responsibility is to come before the Lord and pray and wait on God for [u]direction[/u] (orders). God will honor and bless [i]His[/i] agenda. He will validate His own personality and has already promised to be in the midst of those that will gather in [u]His[/u] name.

One of the first things that happened in Greenock was in the form of a question; "Does anyone feel like they have a specific word from God for this conference?" There was an admonition given, but not what I would consider a 'word' of direction. We came together wanting a move of God. We prayed with tremendous ferver and God came down at times. What we [u]did not know[/u] was the Lord's bidding. We simply did not know what God wanted to do- therefor we were all left to our own devices and concepts of revival with which to judge what was happening.


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Robert Wurtz II

 2008/12/19 6:26Profile
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 Re:

This type of thing from Whispering and Lonny has to stop.

Moderators, could you please do something about this!


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 2008/12/19 6:33Profile
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In the light of that is there danger that we try to "force" a move, or create a hype (aka Lakeland).



I think some want a sanitized move of God. They want God to move in such a way that if the world were looking on they would not be alarmed or criticize. Lakeland had issues of it's own. But rest assured that when God pours out His Spirit some people are liable to get their hair messed up. Some people are liable to get [i]real nervous[/i].

So when we ask for God to send revival, perhaps we ought to get brutally honest and tell God in writing here what will and will not be acceptable? I think we may all be shocked if we started a list how that in the end there is no way God could please everyone. it is very sad to me that if God were to really move some would not recognize Him and others would actually be offended.

So we see how challenging all of this is. Preferences and pet peeves choke a move of God. Unhealthy fear of excesses choke revival. We only accept the 'weird' if the weird things are in step with our views of things and our personal preferences. This is something well worth pondering. Because it was not 'weird' to me for Carter to dance before the Lord, but it was to some.


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Robert Wurtz II

 2008/12/19 6:39Profile
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This type of thing from Whispering and Lonny has to stop. Moderators, could you please do something about this!



Can you bear with us in our folly so that perchance God may open our eyes? I see no harm here. We have had 3 conferences now and I have been to 2 of them. I want God to move. I have traveled thousands of miles and endured bomb threats on the plane to get to a revival meeting. At least suffer me to hear from some loving brethren and sisters that are willing to be transparent and honor God?


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Robert Wurtz II

 2008/12/19 6:42Profile
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Chris's: If you ask me, many of our Churches seem no different than the prophets of Baal shouting before an altar.



I think the key question has to be, "Is what the person doing their way of [i]responding[/i] to God?" Some people have concepts that have been taught or caught and that's what they do to 'respond'. In any event I think Michal's displeasure for David was exemplary of God's view of looking with contempt on folk that respond to God in a way that we may not like. There was a barrenness that came to her.


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 2008/12/19 7:11Profile
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 Re: Would you like some grace with your word.

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RobertW wrote:
So when we ask for God to send revival, perhaps we ought to get brutally honest and tell God in writing here what will and will not be acceptable? I think we may all be shocked if we started a list how that in the end there is no way God could please everyone. it is very sad to me that if God were to really move some would not recognize Him and others would actually be offended.



Not knowing the history at all as to what you are talking about re: whisperingwonderer etc all I can say to the above post is amen.

On a more personal note that is why I choose not to hang around here any more.


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Zeke Oosthuis

 2008/12/19 8:07Profile
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I was at Greenock and I honestly went with a heart that longed for Revival but I didnt expect it to break out in Greenock.

Am I wrong in saying that Revival's usually come unexpectedly and cannot be planned?

I went with a heart seeking personal revival and got it, as did the majority I talked to. Surely as we all go to our homelands again there will be the (early) beginnings of Revival in these areas. Handfuls meeting for prayer in a way that hasnt happened before - how did the Isle of Lewis revival start afterall.

Others may have wanted the easy option of revival falling after 3 days of meetings - I honestly dont think God will do it that way - He might but i think it'll come from those who have been praying together all night on a weekly bsais for the past 30 years who no-one knows or regards as anything. They are locked away there somewhere and one of these days God is going to honor their prayers.

It's also naive to think that the Conference wasnt worth it just because the Holy Spirit hasnt come a la 1859, 1904 etc. He came to me - thats all I can say - and I'm the better for it and I intend, with my brothers and sister who were there with me, to see this thing through in prayer, confession and daily taking up the cross till revival comes.

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