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White_Stone
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 No, I do not wear a wedding ring, thank you

The days of the week and the origin of their names was never brought to my attention - there are so many things. . .

I don't wear a wedding ring, not for custom but so as not to give anyone the opinion that I am wealthy enough to afford gold and diamonds. How can I talk with a homeless person or someone who is suffering poverty and not feel hypocritical. My husband and I are not rich. We are not even above poverty level. Why would I want to appear to be something I am not? I do have some rings with precious stones left over from better financial times but I do not wear them any longer. I keep them on a shelf by my kitchen sink and can look at them while washing dishes (yes, we have no dish washer - I am the dishwasher). They remind me of when my husband bought them for me. Those are nice memories tied to the tender care Jesus exercises over us. I see women wearing rings and it no longer seems the thing I should be doing. Too many people are suffering to be flaunting excess on my hands. In the coming hard times, I well may turn the rings into food, for that reason I save them.

I don't think I will change the way I name the days of the week at this time. I will pray about it though. I don't want to change to doing it for 'works' sake, however. If I see it as a tool to promote Jesus, then I may do that. Thank you for bringing that up.

Regards,
white stone


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Janice

 2008/12/7 13:33Profile









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HomeFree89 wrote:
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Glad you brought it up. We do not celebrate it, it is not Scriptural and is too closely connected to the Roman Catholic Church and Paganism.



This isn't only addressed to White Stone, but to all of those who don't celebrate Christmas because of it's origins.

I have a question then, if you're not going to celebrate Christmas because of the pagan origins, do you wear a wedding ring, call the days of the week by their common names, etc? The wedding ring and names of the days have pagan origins.

The Quakers wouldn't call the days by the common names becuase of their connections with different gods. They would call them 1st day, 2nd day, etc.

I don't really care if someone does or doesn't celebrate Christmas, but I think to be totally consistant we need to consider these questions.



We still use the names of the week just as we still use the term Christmas, but you can be sure that we don't participate in any Thor's Day celebrations, nor do we consider them Christian.

Christmas is the greatest ecumenical tool ever invented, and the more ecumenically minded one is, the more likely they are to participate in Christmas and its trappings. Partake in Christmas if you must and your conscience allows, but please don't refer to it as a Christian Holyday.


One of the better articles I have read on the topic.
http://www.theinvisiblechurch.ca/miscellany/Is_Christmas_Christian.html

"What I'm really questioning is whether you can have a Christian Christmas. The religious aspects are the worst part of Christmas. There is no more pointed illustration of the contrast between cultural religion and biblical faith than Christmas. Christmas promotes an imitation gospel that actually keeps the world from understanding the true gospel. Christmas presents a substitute gospel that the world can easily live with. To the world, the Christian message is simply "love, peace, the spirit of giving, the feeling of good will." That stripped-down "gospel" gives men just enough inoculation to keep them from understanding the true gospel.

The world loves Christmas because Christmas promotes a sentimental picture of a baby in a manger. Christmas keeps Jesus a baby in the manger. Jesus is misrepresented by Christmas. The gospel is misrepresented by Christmas. Christmas is the one time an ungodly person can be religious safely. Most people like to do something religious every once in a while to ease their conscience and convince themselves that they are really a pretty good person after all; and Christmas affords them the perfect opportunity to do that. It's perfectly safe for the most pagan person to join in the Christmas spirit. You can have the Christmas spirit without having the Holy Spirit, without having the mind of Christ.

The very popularity of Christmas should cause the Christians to question it. Anyone and everyone can celebrate Christmas without question! Outright pagans, nominal Christians, even Buddhists join in the celebration. If, in reality, December 25 was a date set by God to remember the birth of Jesus, you can be very sure that the world would have nothing to do with it. After all, God has commanded the observance of one day in seven, a day when Christians celebrate the resurrection of Christ, the first day of the week, the Lord's day _ but does the world observe it? Of course not. The world totally disregards it. Shouldn't the Christian be suspicious of a celebration in which the whole sinful world can join without qualms? There are multitudes of people who continually desecrate the Lord's Day, but somehow have great zeal about being in church at Christmas."


Old Joe

 2008/12/7 18:02
PaulWest
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[b]"Scroogeless" Christmas[/b]

By A.W. Tozer

Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. —Luke 2:11

In these latter-years of the 20th century, no other season of the year reveals so much religion and so little godliness as the Christmas season.

Now, Dickens to the contrary notwithstanding, I do not believe that we are compelled to choose between old Scrooge and Tiny Tim. Surely there is a middle ground where mature, love-inspired, Spirit-illuminated adults can locate themselves and make up their own minds about that most beautiful but most abused and abased holiday we call Christmas. I for one want to do just that and love everybody in the process.

I never knew an Ebenezer Scrooge. My own childhood was brightened by the annual return of Christmas. My sweet-faced mother struggled to provide a few extras for her family on Christmas morning and somehow she always succeeded. If there was no more than an orange, a popcorn ball and a cheap toy for each of us, it was yet a memorable time for all. Even the old yellow mongrel that lay on the homemade braided rug was on that happy morning treated to a handful of hard candy which he crunched loudly and solemnly to the squealing of delight of the younger children.

The children that later came to my own home could, and I am sure would, testify to the almost unbearable delight Christmas morning brought to them. Their near delirium as they tumbled out of bed and gathered around the tree to unwrap their gifts amid shouts of surprise and delight will never be forgotten by them or by their parents while life and memory endure. No, whoever else might drop in during the day, Scrooge was never there; heíd have died of apoplexy if he had come near the place.

Prayer
You, O Lord, are the Christ of Christmas!

Thought
For most of us Christmas memories of the past are joyous and somewhat nostalgic. No Scrooge characters intruded. But for some, Christmas seasons were not so joyous. It's recognition of the person of Christ that makes Christmas.


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Paul Frederick West

 2008/12/7 18:56Profile
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[b]Concentrating on Christ at Christmas[/b]

By A.W. Tozer

Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, 'Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests.' —Luke 2:13-14

Christmas as it is celebrated today is badly in need of a radical reformation. What was at first a spontaneous expression of an innocent pleasure has been carried to inordinate excess. In one section of Chicago, for instance, the excited citizenry vie with each other each year for the biggest, gaudiest and most vulgar Christmas tree, on the porch, on the lawn, along the street; and one gigantic, flashily dressed and cold but determinedly smiling Santa Claus drives a fully lighted herd of reindeer across the yard and over the house!

How far have we come in the corruption of our tastes from the reverence of the simple shepherds, the chant of the angels and the beauty of the heavenly host! The Star of Bethlehem could not lead a wise man to Christ today; it could not be distinguished amid the millions of artificial lights hung aloft on Main Street by the Merchants Association. No angels could sing loudly enough to make themselves heard above the raucous, earsplitting rendition of "Silent Night" meant to draw customers to the neighborhood stores.

In our mad materialism we have turned beauty into ashes, prostituted every normal emotion and made merchandise of the holiest gift the world ever knew. Christ came to bring peace and we celebrate His coming by making peace impossible for six weeks of each year. Not peace but tension, fatigue and irritation rule the Christmas season. He came to free us of debt and many respond by going deep into debt each year to buy enervating luxuries for people who do not appreciate them. He came to help the poor and we heap gifts upon those who do not need them. The simple token given out of love has been displaced by expensive presents given because we have been caught in a squeeze and donít know how to back out of it. Not the beauty of the Lord our God is found in such a situation, but the ugliness and deformity of human sin.

Prayer
Father, thank You for the Christ of Christmas.

Thought
Making Christ the center of Christmas relieves the tension of shopping and delivers us from the cesspool of commercialism into which we can become submerged. Let's take time to join the angel hosts in praising God and singing "Glory to God in the highest."


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Paul Frederick West

 2008/12/7 18:59Profile
MrBillPro
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Old_Joe wrote:
The very popularity of Christmas should cause the Christians to question it.
Old Joe



Yea Jesus was a pretty popular person guess we should question him also. :-(
We all have our own opinions and I totally respect both sides, but I do not think linking or copying and pasting the Grinch's opinions are fair in a discussion like this, your thoughts should come from you own heart. I could go out on the internet and find literally millions of folks opinions that are pro and con Christmas. :-)


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Mr. Bill

 2008/12/7 19:03Profile
HeartSong
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This summer I was out walking one night, and came upon an area filled with fireflies. They were twinkling and dancing like nothing I have ever seen before. As I stood there spell bound, it occurred to me that this was God's version of "Christmas lights" - or rather "Christmas lights" are man's version of God's fireflies. However, unlike "Christmas lights" which twinkle in a mechanical way, fireflies are poetry in motion - darting up to the sky as if they are worshiping the Lord.

Oh, the awesome wonder of all that He has created. Why do we think that we need these other things to be complete? All we need is Him.

 2008/12/7 21:51Profile
Koheleth
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The weaker brother or sister will cry: "Pagan custom! Abomination!"; the more mature will with a clear conscience sing "Silent Night and Hark! the Harold Angels Sing" and thank God in his heart that Jesus Christ was sent into the world to reconcile sinful man to God - regardless if that day was on Dec. 25, or April 16 or July 4.



Why was it necessary, as a moderator, to call those who do not observe Christmas "weaker"? Or more explicitly, to call those who observe Christmas "mature"? I would think as a moderator and therefore a spokesman for SermonIndex, you would guide this discussion with less personal bias, unless it is being indicated that SermonIndex is becoming a pro-Christmas site. I would rather see this not made an issue by the moderators. I think you owe a Scripture-based explanation of why those who prefer not to observe Christmas are less mature than those who do.

 2008/12/7 22:04Profile
HeartSong
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I contemplated this myself, and as I thought about it, realized that it is true.

Personally I feel so very blessed to have been pulled from the sea of iniquity, that there is no way that I want to find myself back in it. And as I peer into the river that is rushing by, I hesitate to even stick my big toe in for fear that I will be pulled back in.

I assume that a "mature" Christian has learned to be in the river without getting sucked back in.

 2008/12/7 22:23Profile
Koheleth
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HeartSong wrote:
I contemplated this myself, and as I thought about it, realized that it is true.



You did not indicate which post or thought you were referring to.

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I assume that a "mature" Christian has learned to be in the river without getting sucked back in.



What are you calling the river? Based on your post, it is what is filling up the sea of iniquity.

 2008/12/7 22:35Profile
MrBillPro
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Koheleth wrote:
Why was it necessary, as a moderator, to call those who do not observe Christmas "weaker"? Or more explicitly, to call those who observe Christmas "mature"? I would think as a moderator and therefore a spokesman for SermonIndex, you would guide this discussion with less personal bias,



I have never personally belonged to any forums were the the Mods. were not allowed to voice there personal opinions they are human also, maybe they should have a clause "no pun intended" in there sig. line that there comments do not reflect the opinions of Sermon Index in general. In my personal opinion, if we we not able to consider Mike or Paul's opinions here, we would be losing out on a lot of great personal opinions and wisdom here. I would hope they would always continue to voice their personal opinions and feelings here regardless if folks agreed or disagreed with them. Trust me we have had our differences, but I would never want to shut them out even if I did not agree with them on something.


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