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repentcanada
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 1 Cor 1:18 & 2 Cor. 2:15

A dear brother sent me this, I think it is VERY important to discuss. what do you think about this?



Though the Textus Receptus vs Wescott Hort text is part of the issue, it is MUCH more than that.

Are you saved? Or are you being saved? The truth is that one is either saved or they are not, anything in between is pure heresy, it is that simple.


1 Cor 1:18
‘For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which [b]are saved [/b]it is the power of God.’
KJV

‘For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish, foolishness: but unto us, which [b]are saved [/b], it is the power of God.’
Geneva

‘For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who [b]are being saved [/b]it is E the power of God.’
ESV

‘For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who [b]are being saved [/b] it is the power of God.’
NASB




2 Cor 2:15
‘For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that [b]are saved [/b], and in them that perish:’
KJV

‘For we are unto God the sweet savor of Christ, in them that [b]are saved [/b], and in them which perish.’
Geneva

‘For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those [b]are being saved [/b]and among those who are perishing,’
ESV

‘For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who [b]are being saved [/b]and among those who are perishing;’
NASB

There is so much more of this that it truly is sickening……

The men responsible for preparing and promoting these new translations are the men who must bear the responsibility for the condition that the church is in.

 2008/11/18 10:32Profile









 Re: 1 Cor 1:18 & 2 Cor. 2:15

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what do you think about this?


What do [b]you[/b] think about it?

You were having an emotional reaction to something and you implied that tons of people are heretics without explaining your point.

 2008/11/18 11:57
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 I understand what you are saying but be of good cheer

My firm belief is that God, through his marvelous Holy Spirit, *will" get His message through to anyone who is truly seeking Him.

If you read the Matthew Henry commentary on this piece of scripture it shows the focus is on the preaching and it's effects on the hearers.

II. We have the different effects of this preaching: To those who perish it is foolishness, but to those who are saved it is the power of God, v. 18. It is to the Jews a stumbling-block, and to the Greeks foolishness; ****but unto those who are called****, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God, v. 23, 24. 1. Christ crucified is a stumbling-block to the Jews. They could not get over it. They had a conceit that their expected Messiah was to be a great temporal prince, and therefore would never own one who made so mean an appearance in life, and died so accursed a death, for their deliverer and king. They despised him, and looked upon him as execrable, because he was hanged on a tree, and because he did not gratify them with a sign to their mind, though his divine power shone out in innumerable miracles. The Jews require a sign, v. 22. See Matt. xii. 38. 2. He was to the Greeks foolishness. They laughed at the story of a crucified Saviour, and despised the apostles' way of telling it. They sought for wisdom. They were men of wit and reading, men that had cultivated arts and sciences, and had, for some ages, been in a manner the very mint of knowledge and learning. There was nothing in the plain doctrine of the cross to suit their taste, nor humour their vanity, nor gratify a curious and wrangling temper: they entertained it therefore with scorn and contempt. What, hope to be saved by one that could not save himself! And trust in one who was condemned and crucified as a malefactor, a man of mean birth and poor condition in life, and cut off by so vile and opprobrious a death! This was what the pride of human reason and learning could not relish. The Greeks thought it little better than stupidity to receive such a doctrine, and pay this high regard to such a person: and thus were they justly left to perish in their pride and obstinacy. Note, It is just with God to leave those to themselves who pour such proud contempt on divine wisdom and grace. 3. To those who are called and saved he is the wisdom of God, and the power of God. Those who are called and sanctified, who receive the gospel, and are enlightened by the Spirit of God, discern more glorious discoveries of God's wisdom and power in the doctrine of Christ crucified than in all his other works. Note, Those who are saved are reconciled to the doctrine of the cross, and led into an experimental acquaintance with the mysteries of Christ crucified.

I agree with you about all the different translations and would that I had been better educated so that I could read the original. I console myself that God in His wonderful providence has placed me in a Country that allows distribution of His Holy Word and the preaching of it (for the time being, that is). I stick with the KJV and sometimes the Amplified Bible and of course the Matthew Henry Comentary.

We recently read that to be able to print a 'new' version of the Bible they must change 20%. That is too much for my taste. If I could just have His undiluted word injected into my veins I would be happy. Soon He will take us away and all will be understood - perfectly. Praise Jesus!

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 2008/11/18 12:55Profile
repentcanada
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bro. ben joseph, I only wrote the first two sentences, the rest was in an email I received.

If what is above is true, and that the textus receptus is the better text, than all of the other newer versions should be called perversions.

I am trying to get clarity on the bible translations and think these two verses are critical and very important.

 2008/11/18 13:57Profile
repentcanada
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As well the following is incredible:

We recently read that to be able to print a 'new' version of the Bible they must change 20%. That is too much for my taste. If I could just have His undiluted word injected into my veins I would be happy.


And who gives men the authority to "copyright" the Word of God. That is flat out wrong. What would the "Christian" publishers do if someone, for example, quoted the whole book of jude or john 3? Would they sue them? You have got to be kidding me.

 2008/11/18 14:01Profile
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 Re: 1 Cor 1:18 & 2 Cor. 2:15

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"Are you saved? Or are you being saved? The truth is that one is either saved or they or not, anything in between is pure heresy, it is that simple."


Brother, that all depends on what you mean by "being saved." Yes, we are saved when we believe on Jesus Christ, receive Him, and repent of our sins. This is the born again experience in which the believer's spirit is regenerated and receives eternal life. So we can truly say that a born again Christian "has been" saved. But what about the soul and body? The soul is in the process of being saved, and the body will be saved when we receive our glorified bodies.

James 1:21 MKJV
"Therefore putting aside all filthiness and overflowing of evil, receive in meekness the implanted Word, which is able to save your souls."

Phil 1: MKJV
"being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ,"

Heb 10: NKJV
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

Philp 2:12 NKJV
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

James 1:21 MKJV
Therefore putting aside all filthiness and overflowing of evil, receive in meekness the implanted Word, which is able to save your souls.

Rom 12: NKJV
2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

We can see from these scriptures that the salvation of the soul does not take place at regeneration but is a process.


Mike


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 2008/11/18 14:02Profile









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I'm so sorry if I made you feel attacked. I was the one having the emotional reaction apparently since I didn't read carefully enough to notice it wasn't your writing. Please forgive me. I will try to read more carefully from now on.

What I wrote is what I would write to the person who sent you that though. It sounds like a doctrinal matter rather than a documentation matter based on his comments.

 2008/11/18 14:13
repentcanada
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bro. benjoseph, no problem! I never was offended brother, it's cool!

God bless you,
Ricky

 2008/11/18 14:14Profile









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Thanks Ricky! :)

I've had such a hard time with communicating by text only and I really don't like emoticons they look like scary little demon faces to me. I've so often taken people the wrong way or been taken the wrong way.

I don't mind using the text smiley in this case because I appreciate your reassurance!

 2008/11/18 14:32





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