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 Apostolic Christianity and the Transfer of Wealth

I personally when I came across this couldn't believe what I am seeing. This is utterly false and I cannot believe Christians who are truly born of the Spirit of God can even wink at this to think its truth. This articles comes from the Elijah List where its boasted "Discover Daily What God's Prophets and Prophetic People Are Saying!" I am quite saddened by this. Just so people realize this is a large section of people who are ingulfed in these type of teachings from so called prophets... surely the church is in darkness in our day.

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[b]"The Great Transfer of Wealth: Are You Ready?"[/b]
by C. Peter Wagner

It has been a while since I have received as much thoughtful response to a Global Prayer News article as I did to "The Great Transfer of Wealth: Are You Ready?" This has turned out to be such a hot button in the Body of Christ that I decided to take the matter a bit farther.

To remind you, I brought up the fact that since 1992 we have been hearing from God, through respected prophets, that He desires to release great amounts of wealth to His people for the advance of His kingdom, namely through evangelism, church planting, caring for the poor, and transforming society. Why, then, hasn’t it happened as yet? My answer is that first God was probably waiting until the government of the church got into place on the foundation of apostles and prophets, which did occur beginning in 2001. Secondly, He is probably waiting until the proper strategy to handle these funds is functional. This is only beginning to happen.

I postulated that there are four essential links in the chain of wealth-transference:

Providers, Managers, Distributors, Field Marshalls.

The major holdup, in my analysis of the situation, is that second link of "managers."

2 Ways "Providers" Will Be Used

The "providers" are there. There are two ways that the providers will be used to supply the money that God is releasing. Some of them, whether believers or unbelievers, already have the money in huge quantities. This will be delivered by what could be called "supernatural transference."

A biblical example would be Israel in Egypt. God released huge amounts of wealth from the pagan Egyptians to His people. They did not earn this money from making bricks without straw. It was a supernatural transference. On the other hand, the second way that God will use some providers is to give them what could be called "power to get wealth." This is like making bricks for a profit, but it would more likely take the form of a gold mine or a technological breakthrough or a patent on a lifesaving drug. The Bible says that "[God] gives you power to get wealth" (Deut. 8:18) and "The Lord your God will bless you in all your works and in all to which you put your hand" (Deut. 15:10). People who are now making money will go to new levels, through the power of God, that they have not even imagined!

"Distributors" and "Field Marshals"

The "field marshals" are also there. One of my apostle friends, for example, is currently planting between five and ten new churches per day! No one has to teach him how to use money to spread the gospel. Field marshals like this are now in place all over the world.

I believe that the "distributors" are in place, but they have not yet been recognized as such because they will only go into action once the funds are available. Undoubtedly, many apostles who are members of the International Coalition of Apostles will be among them. There will, of course, be some overlap between distributors and field marshals as there is between all the links on the chain.

The Missing Link

Which leaves us with "managers." This is the missing link. Why would God release huge amounts of resources that could go down a black hole? Few distributors or field marshals, who for the most part would be nuclear church apostles, would have the business skills to receive the funds and handle them in such a way that they would not all be used at once, but that they would provide a constant stream of revenue for advancing the kingdom. Unquestionably these kinds of skillful managers do exist within the Body of Christ, but they are not yet part of the chain, strategically connected to distributors and field marshals.

Let me give you a concrete illustration. Not long ago, a friend of mine, Dan Carless, who is a successful Colorado Springs real estate developer, told me that he was a consultant for the board of directors for Every Home for Christ. He once posed a hypothetical question to its president, Dick Eastman. He said, "Dick, would you rather have me give you $1 million or $250,000 per year?" Dick, of course, replied that he wanted both, but that was not an option. Dick could have used $1 million very easily because he is one of the most qualified members of the "distributors" link that I know, in direct touch with numbers of effective field marshals. But the wise choice was $250,000 per year because in four years he would have the $1 million, and in four more he would have $2 million to help fulfill the Great Commission of making disciples of all nations.

If this were to become a reality, Dan Carless would be functioning as a classic "manager," because he would use his $1 million to make 25% per year and give the proceeds to Every Home for Christ. If this became the rule, rather than the exception, it could open the door toward an entirely new way of funding ministries such as Every Home for Christ or Global Harvest Ministries.

Donor-Based to Revenue-Based

I think it will become the rule, once the chain is in place. Currently most ministries are financed by the providers donating directly to the distributors or field marshals without going through the managers. This "donor-based" system of financing requires the leaders of the ministries constantly to make appeals for new donations and limiting their activities to the responses to each appeal. Some will spend up to 25% of their income in generating new donations.

However, once the managers (who will be mostly workplace apostles rather than nuclear church apostles) have taken their God-assigned place, ministries will be able to move from "donor-based" financing to "revenue-based" financing. This, I think, is the wave of the future, a new wineskin for financing the Great Commission.

One of my friends, Joseph Thompson (who co-edited with me our exciting new book Out of Africa), is actually experimenting with this for his ministry, Light the Nations. I recently received an appeal letter from him, not for a donation to his ministry cash flow, but rather to the "Corban Fund" over which he has appointed a manager who will invest the capital and turn over only the proceeds for Light the Nations cash flow. This letter motivated me to donate, as over against a dozen or so other appeal letters I received from friends the same week asking for a traditional contribution.

My message? Managers, rise up, get connected, and let’s get God’s transfer of wealth moving!


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 2004/7/18 10:37Profile
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 Re: Apostolic Christianity and the Transfer of Wealth

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sermonindex wrote:
This is utterly false and I cannot believe Christians who are truly born of the Spirit of God can even wink at this to think its truth.



I must admit when I first read it, I was also quite shocked considering who wrote it. I say that because even though I am not very familar with Mr Wagners work he has been very influential in the prayer networks and motivating prayer into the 10-40 window. Even though I don't agree with some of the things he has written about prayer, there is some truth in it. So it is fascinating to read this stuff. :-?
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 2004/7/18 11:22Profile
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No offense meant, but how does this differ from the "heated" discussion about health and wealth ?
It must be me but this to me sounds exactly like it. Pardon my ignorance, but the only time I've heard 10-40 is when police speak to each others, what is it in this case ?

Here's an article that might shed some light on the funds transfers etc. It just blows my mind how easy the thinking and ways of the world is creeping into the minds of christians and the church who should be able to discern these things.

http://www.discernment-ministries.com/Purpose_Driven.pdf

We are supposed to discern and not to swallow and wallow in the ways of the world.
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Thanks Jouko,

I was having some problems with that link in the pdf. format, here is another link to the same article:
[url=http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/04/pied_pipers_of_purpose.htm]The Pied Pipers of Purpose[/url]

Great site there (from your original link)
[url=http://www.discernment-ministries.com/Home.htm]http://www.discernment-ministries.com/Home.htm[/url]


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I just got up on the site a tremendous video 3 hours long of 2 meeting with Jackie Pullinger and the team from hong kong, she speaks on ministering to the poor, its a great contrast to the madness that is being thought and lived out by so called annointed men. I almost weeped at certain points of this video, its truly worth watching you wont be the same again!!

[b][url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=4396]Ministry to the poor/Being set free (video)[/url][/b] ;-)


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Hi all,

I am trying to understand what some seems to think is so obviously scandalous about the article in the first post. Can we be a little more specific? And how does this thread fit into the "Church History" section?

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And how does this thread fit into the "Church History" section?



Its a stretch but maybe 'contemporary history'? or even 'the sooner its history the better'? ;-)


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Ron..

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'the sooner its history the better'


Touche'!! :-)


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Hi Sam,

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I am trying to understand what some seems to think is so obviously scandalous about the article in the first post. Can we be a little more specific?



Amongst a number of things, this stood out:

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International Coalition of Apostles



Is this a subset of Chrysler, a take off on Lee Iacocca? The ICOA...

Thought the linked article from Jouko was really informative in what under girds some of these modern business and social philosophy's that have crept into the church.


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 Re: Wealth Transfer

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Agent001 wrote:
I am trying to understand what some seems to think is so obviously scandalous about the article in the first post. Can we be a little more specific?



Its just that it has so many terms that just don't occur in the bible. They are all very nice terms and ideas. The pattern in the bible is that properties were sold and brought to the Apostles feet and thats that(Acts 4:34,35). To say that this is what God is waiting for in terms of Apostolic thrust into the nations is well, where is it in the NT? The terms sound like something from Harvard or Yale, not from bible.

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