BrianMira wrote:This week he said: "To have a heart for the church, we must 1) pay our offering, 2) bring new people, and 3) help the church by cleaning it or some other activities."
As for your question about whether or not a pastor can or should say that a person has gotten into heaven... I would say that there is no biblical foundation for a believer to make a claim that they cannot support -we do not know the heart of the people next to us, we do not know where they are headed. I cannot even say for sure whether all of the 'brothers' in my church are genuinely saved.
Well, prosperity seems to have slipped into the Korean Salvation Army Church, too or at least in the one my wife and I attended today. The Captain said... in order to have God's Blessings and have "a life like John D. Rockefeller" we must 1) keep the Sabbath 2) bring others to church and 3) pay 10%.I thought we had to live like Jesus.Please, pray for my wife and I. Tears are welling up in me as I type these words, because we have been greatly discouraged lately about the state of the churches here in Korea. Two weeks ago, we went to an American "Calvary Baptist Church" which is somesort of a misssionary/army church here in Korea. That pastor actually preached from the bible, but I never saw someone beg like he did for people to come forward at the end of his sermon. He was clapping, snapping his fingers and was imploring for anyone to come. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, we attended three weeks of services... all the same. Not to mention that the tithing envolopes quoted Malachi 3. I asked him about it and he gave me pamphlets on stewardship. Like I mentioned, please pray for my wife and I, for God's direction. I told my wife today that we are going to start saving for a tent...
Thanks for not being divisive and argumentative in this. I forgot that there were opposing views :-) but as I was reading some of Chris' post I thought about the souls of the martyred saints under the altar crying how long? I heard someone preach soul sleep years ago and I thought that made alot of sense, but as the years have past and I read and studied, I don't think it makes as much sense. Again as Ginnyrose said, we are hindered by time perception and there are sometimes things in scripture that still seem a little hazy, but I settled in my own heart that I have a responsibility to be true to Him that bought me while I have the breath to accomplish it, then the the timing of the rest is still His. It is appointed that every man should die, then the judgement. That works for me. Love in Christ Barry