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boG
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 Re: gosh, golly, jeez and jeepers

Is it of importance to get everyone aware that the definitions of these words are euphemisms for the Lord's name?

It is not important until it is understood by the one who says these words that they are taking the Lord's name in vain. Very simply put, "gosh, golly, jeez and jeepers" mean nothing of themselves. It is not until a meaning of vulgarity is contextualized synonomously with these that it becomes a burden to speak them.

It is no different than eating food sacrificed and/or offered to idols. Eat it until someone tells you it is sacrificed and/or offered to idols. Yet, not for your sake but for other's sake.

This is not unlike the terminology of the word "gay." Somehow it went from meaning "happy" to "homosexual." Yet, even now there are still people who use "gay" to express "happiness" rather than anything vulgar or offensive to God.

In my own experience I have come to the same conclusion with words like these being euphemisms for the Name of God, but I was not aware of "gee" or "golly" or "jeepers" in that same connotation.

Let everything be judged according to the heart, not the satanic hijacking of the common english language. Just as we are to be careful not to cause our brothers and sisters to stumble by our food likewise we are not to cause them to stumble by making a point of nonsensical words like these being a direct curse against God. This is bordering a delicate balance between legalism (adding the burden of external practices) and desiring to be wholly sanctified unto the Lord.

If it is your conviction to instruct others with this knowledge, please, do so with all gentleness and care. Not in terms of "this is an abomination" but rather for bringing a light and easy correction as to those who are unaware that it should be avoided.


[b]Romans 14[/b]
11. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.


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 2008/9/22 18:21Profile
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. . . not the satanic hijacking of the common english language.


This is not the case with these words. With the exception of "gee" the only definitions I found were the ones noted in my original post. Here are the two other definitions of "gee."

(1) gee – [origin unknown] (1628)
used as a direction to turn to the right or move ahead

(3) gee – (1926)
1:the letter g
2[grand] slang: a thousand dollars



Satan delights in us using these words in ignorance. This is why we must pray for the Lord to show us our sin - so that we do not remain ignorant - so that we do not misrepresent Him to others - so that we do not spew forth garbage - so that we can repent and turn from our wicked ways. Light must be shown forth on these things, to expose them for what they are - an abomination in the face of the Lord for we have sinned against Him, and Him alone.

We have defined these words, and if we use them, it is our responsibility to know their meaning.

 2008/9/22 21:17Profile
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"Ignorance is the nurse of impiety."

Attributes of God - Thomas Watson

 2008/9/22 21:31Profile
ChrisJD
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Hi everyone,



I was reading some of the sermons from solitary confinement by Pastor Wurmbrand last night and I was shocked as he mentioned some of the phrases that missionaries had used to translate phrases from the Bible into the native language because there was no equivalent otherwise in the language.


I thought of this because I agree with boG, in that it seems to me also that we need to be carefull in this case to not create an offense in someone's conscience.




God must certainly be aware of the expressions of every person's heart.






EDIT: I'd like to emphasize that I don't want to suggest these words are appropriate to use; but that I think we should [b]be carefull[/b] how we handle things like this.


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 2008/9/22 23:06Profile
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 Re: gosh, golly, jeez and jeepers

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EDIT: I'd like to emphasize that I don't want to suggest these words are appropriate to use; but that I think we should be carefull how we handle things like this.



Exactly ChrisJD, just because Merriam-Webster or Dictionary.com has defined these words as slang for "Jesus" or "God" does not mean that the average Christian is using them in the same vain and abusive manner.

I am not trying to discourage you, HeartSong, from bringing to light this understanding. [b]However, I am definitely trying to calm you down from using such strong language[/b].

If you approach people by saying, "when you use words like 'golly' and 'gee' you are cursing God to His face! You are ignorantly misrepresenting God and His Christ and spewing forth garbage! Repent, ye sinner! Repent from your wicked ways!"

You are going to turn people off and completely miss the point of the gospel message, especially concerning the maturing Christian life.

It is very simple, whatever is not of faith is sin. If you define these words to be vulgar then be true to your faith and conscience and personalize for yourself that these words are unclean.

If you come across anyone who calls themselves a Christian, and they often say, for example, "gee", and then you ask them, "do you know that 'gee' is a euphemism for 'Jesus'? And they say, "yes, I knew that." Then you shall have reason to give them a slap and rightly bring such strong language as "sin" and "using the Lord's name in vain."

If they say rather, "No, it is just an expression of surprise." Then handle the situation as it is -- not a sin and not using the Lord's name in meaningless jargon. Give them a simple "this is what those petty words actually mean, according to the dictionary ... etc."

As for the dinner party and the lady in question that brought this topic to mind, if she is not a born-again Christian it will not be a very convincing gospel statement to tell her she is sinning and going to hell for saying "gosh, golly, jeez and jeepers." She is going to hell because by the grace of God she needs a new heart not because of immature euphemisms that she may or may not understand to be blasphemy.

That is really the whole point. Keeping to the true heart and spirit of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Ignorance is neither a sin nor does it condemn anyone; but the Light that shines in the darkness that one despises, this is their sin and condemnation.


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 2008/9/23 3:00Profile









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As for the words in question, unless the Spirit in you is grieved by the use of such words, you cannot know whether they are blasphemous. Those things are spiritually discerned, brother. We cannot go by our natural understanding or standards. In the natural we tend to seek and find excuses for ourselves that seem pretty good. But we cannot hide anything from Him who sees and searches the human heart:

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Psa 94:8 Understand, you [u]senseless[/u] among the people; And you fools, when will you be wise?
Psa 94:9 He who planted the ear, shall He not hear? He who formed the eye, shall He not see?
Psa 94:10 He who instructs the nations, shall He not correct, He who teaches man knowledge?
Psa 94:11 The Lord knows the thoughts of man, That they are futile.



Many self-professed "Christians" don't have a problem with such words--and even with much sicker carnal manifestations. They say there is no conviction (and I believe they do not lie). But we shall know them by their fruits. For these have long refused to be taught by the Spirit of glory. And the Word says that, "if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His" (Rom. 8:9).

Now unregenerated people cannot have the Spirit of Christ. But this is also true of many in the church, who might have once known Him, but have over time grown callous and cold.

 2008/9/23 6:55









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I must have erased/edited my previous message. I am sorry. I managed to retrieve it in the history though. Here it is:

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KrispyKrittr wrote:
lol... you need to get a life!

Krispy
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Krispy,

I'd be terrified to say such a thing. Don't you know that unless you LOSE YOUR LIFE, you will not receive it? What life of your own and at your own disposal are you talking about?

You need to take that statement back. For such talk is unacceptable in the church of Christ. Maybe at a rock concert, yes; but not in the church!

 2008/9/23 7:18
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I have thought about the use of disguised swearwords recently. Not matter how cleverly Satan disguise them they are still swearwords. When we reduce it to them to core, they express blasphemy and uncleanliness, condemnation, arrogance, and rebellion. When we swear we take the place of God in judgement over others. When Peter denied Jesus he swore.

I cannot play the role of the Holy Spirit to convict everyone, but this I can say:

Mat 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

If you want to see God clearly, you must rid yourself of anything unclean. Compromise in this area will definitely blurr your vision.

Ps24:3
3 Who may ascend the hill of the LORD ?
Who may stand in his holy place?
4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
who does not lift up his soul to an idol
or swear by what is false.

Mat 5
34But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

I am far from clean, but swearing, even if it is just in thought always shows my unspirituality. I cannot praise God in the same sentence without renouncing the previous word or thought.

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 2008/9/23 8:25Profile









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Krispy,

I'd be terrified to say such a thing. Don't you know that unless you LOSE YOUR LIFE, you will not receive it? What life of your own and at your own disposal are you talking about?

You need to take that statement back. For such talk is unacceptable in the church of Christ. Maybe at a rock concert, yes; but not in the church!



I see you're from Bulgaria so perhaps you're not familiar with the term "get a life". It is not meant as literally gain your own life, it's merely a slang here in America... and in this context I was only having a little fun with Heartsong.

The point I was making by using that phrase is this: There are so many other things within the church that are so wrong and in need of change it's hard to imagine that we are spending time debating whether Christians should use the word "golly". Homosexuality is becoming more and more acceptable in the church, and we're debating the phrase "gee whiz".

To most people it means nothing. I agree completely with "boG"... this is the same as the Christians who ate meat and thanked the Lord for it... until the Jewish Christians showed up and condemned them for eating meat sacrificed to idols.

This is a matter of conscience.

So lets move on and find something that is actually important to discuss.

Krispy

 2008/9/23 10:28
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It is not meant as literally gain your own life, it's merely a slang here in America...


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To most people it means nothing.



But Krispy, do you not see that that is exactly the problem? It is not slang - it is literal - you are saying what is in your heart. This is why America is coming under judgment. We are flying under the banner of America, instead of God and using it as an excuse for our misbehavior.

If you read the post about the description of "Leave it to Beaver," you are reading about the breakdown of family in America. On the surface, it all sounds wonderful to the ear, but look below the surface and you will see the seed of what had led to blatant homosexuality. Do you not think that the writers of the show did not know the definition of the key slogan? Do you not realize that Satan knows that if we partake of it, it will become common place. Do you not think that Satan delights in God's creatures blaspheming Him to His face?

How do you react on the inside when your child calls you a swearword - even in ignorance? How would you feel if they cursed your name?

Our Lord will forgive us if we repent - but if we do not even think it is a sin, how can we repent?

 2008/9/23 12:07Profile





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