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joeSOC
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 Reason for Salvation

Is the main reason to accept Jesus Self-Preservation. Escape from Hell to heaven, accept Jesus . Does this not cause a person to become a Christian for the wrong reasons ?

 2008/9/14 4:58Profile
passerby
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 Re: Reason for Salvation

What else can you expect from a sinner, except contrition or to beg for mercy. Ps 51:17 "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise".

But remember we must conform to the terms of the Gospel for salvation and that includes repentance and a living faith in Jesus Christ.

THe good news is the Gospel also promises these:

Ezekiel 36:26 "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh."

Rom 6:14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 2008/9/14 20:53Profile
enid
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 Re: Reason for Salvation

I don't know if there is such a thing as becoming a Christian for the wrong reason.

For one to become a Christian, a genuine Christian, we must repent of our sins, preached by John the Baptist, Jesus, and later in the book of Acts by Peter, Paul and others.

It tells us in Matthew 1v21, ' ...you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

Our sins are our ticket to hell. If we are saved from our sins, we are saved from hell. If not, then we are not saved from hell.

It wasn't the fear of hell that made me become a Christian, rather, it was the fear of missing out on Christ's return. How many chances would I have to make it to heaven, if I missed Christ's return?

That was my fear.

We can't pull the wool over God's eyes. He knows who is and who isn't a Christian.

Let's see to it that He sees us as genuine.

 2008/9/15 9:07Profile
narrowpath
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 Re: Reason for Salvation

Many people do not go beyond the fact that being saved is for their ultimate benefit. I believe salvation goes far beyond the bounds of our own good self. We are saved for God's praise of his glory as it is mentioned 3 times in Ephesians chapter 1:

3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he[c] predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.


11In him we were also chosen,[e] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory.

Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

I am also saved for the benefit and help of others and to be a living witness of him.

The fact that I enjoy eternal life and bliss is rather a welcome byproduct than the main thing.

narrowpath

 2008/9/15 18:23Profile
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KJV Luke 18:9-14

9. And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10. Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

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Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things,
and desperately wicked: who can know it?
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Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 2008/9/15 21:57Profile
bible1985
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paris reidhead describes that the reason we should come to Christ is because we deserve to give god the obedience he deserves for his glory. Not to get a ticket to heaven but so we can be made righteous in the eyes of God and be brought back to him through repentance and trusting jesus. Not for us but for him, we do not deserve his grace but he loved us.

 2008/9/21 19:14Profile
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paris reidhead describes that the reason we should come to Christ is because we deserve to give god the obedience he deserves for his glory. Not to get a ticket to heaven but so we can be made righteous in the eyes of God and be brought back to him through repentance and trusting jesus. Not for us but for him, we do not deserve his grace but he loved us.



Is this not susceptible in turning the gospel into a one with a 'legalistic' character.

How did David in Psalm 51 went before God and so with the Publican in Luke 18:9-14.

Are we not adding something here?

 2008/9/21 22:03Profile
Ignitemysoul
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 Re: Reason for Salvation

Why did God create man or the universe? So that his glory would be known! The earth declares his glory! Man would never be able to glorify god unless he was saved!

So the ultimate reason for salvation is included in the answer to the question what is the purpose of life the purpose of creation! Which is God being so completely worthy of all praise, glory and honor due to his immense holy character which is to such a extreme degree that all of mankind will give an account to God of what he did to know God and his glory and how you allowed God to use your life to to be a light in this dark and lost world! Our benefits are secondary to Gods glory!

Holy, Holy Holy is the Lord God Almighty!


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Jon De Vet

 2008/9/22 0:19Profile
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 Re: Reason for Salvation

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Is the main reason to accept Jesus Self-Preservation. Escape from Hell to heaven, accept Jesus . Does this not cause a person to become a Christian for the wrong reasons ?



Main reason? No.

The most common reason? I would say, Yes.

I don't believe it would be right to deny people from seeking after God because they desire self-preservation. Paris Reidhead's excellent sermon ([url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=282]Ten Shekels and a Shirt[/url]) speaks of the different types of reasons people come to Christ. There is certainly a great deal of wisdom to gain from hearing that sermon.

Many come to Jesus for what we may consider to be "all the wrong reasons." Yet, I would not necessarily hold this against sinners who are desiring and seeking salvation or to know God. When it comes down to the line this very selfishness may be just the thing that brings them to a saving relationship with Christ.

Honestly, what can we require a sinful heart to do?

"No, no," we may say, "you can't be saved until your sinful heart is pure and upright in your intentions for being saved before Christ will come and wash you with clean water and sprinkle you with His blood."

I would much rather place the danger on what these sinners do AFTER they meet Jesus. After meeting the merciful and loving God, do these change the intentions of their hearts as the Lord works in them both to do and to will according to His good pleasure?

We may very well come to Jesus by the diligence of selfish intentions (fear of death or even fear of not going to heaven) but the real question would then be [b]what are our reasons for salvation when we meet Him?[/b]

After these sinners meet Jesus do they continue to act selfishly and take advantage of His lovingkindness for their own selfish ambitions?

What are our intentions after we meet Jesus and He says we must first deny ourselves, take up our cross, and follow Him, and whosoever will lose his life for Christ's sake shall find it? This is the determining factor in our faith towards God and repentance which God will say whether or not it is an acceptable sacrifice.


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 2008/9/22 0:22Profile
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I loved the last 2 replies, great answers. Everything be to the glory of God.

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