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DoulosQuinn
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 Ester is a questionable book!!! maynotBauthentic

I have read many researchers, pretty exclusively Jewish historians who have challenged the authenticity of Ester, more draw great focus on the fact Mordecai's name is of Babylonian origin...but the story takes place in Assyria. but lots of contrary evidence that challenges its authority.

One thing that motivated this thread is the fact that Jews love this story, where GOD is in the "way background" making good things happen for Jews...but showing immediate retribution to their enemies...but HE is not even mentioned. What got me is that these Jewish Scholars...I mean trapped in the law Jew-centered Jew...would challenge its genuineness. It made me think that there is a question about it.

Then I started to think about the "evenly yoked" doctrine...a woman is suppose to win her husband through a quiet and submissive spirit and HE never changes.

Then I look around and see 40% of Christian women hook up with unbelievers hope to as the "queen" to change some unbeliever. I asked my wife what she though (she is an arab that left Islam while living the desert of Saharah) she thinks it sounds great...but I wasn't satisfied.

WHAT SAY YOU????????

 2008/9/3 1:14Profile
boG
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 Re: Ester is a questionable book!!! maynotBauthentic

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Then I look around and see 40% of Christian women hook up with unbelievers hope to as the "queen" to change some unbeliever.



There is a HUGE difference between marrying an unbeliever and being forcefully taken to marry a King of a nation. That is really not what you would call a consensual agreement.

And the entire concept of "missionary dating" is utterly detestable and ungodly. It is lust of the flesh under the banner of evangelism.


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Then I started to think about the "evenly yoked" doctrine...a woman is suppose to win her husband through a quiet and submissive spirit and HE never changes.



The fact that "he never changes" is besides the point. It doesn't change that the woman must still obey the law of the Spirit of Christ.


Beyond that, I can't say anything concerning the historical authenticity of the book itself but I have never noticed anything Scripturally wrong with it.


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 2008/9/3 2:50Profile









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I dont know that I can answer the authenticity of the book itself because I havent read what you have read. It seems that every time a part of the Bible is challenged... God finds a way to make the challengers look foolish and stupid.

I believe God preserved His Holy Word, and He would not allow a bogus book to be a part of it for over 3,000 years. It's as simple as that. [b]GOD[/b] preserved the Book, not man.

And yes, there is a measure of faith involved in believing that His Word is holy and [b]preserved[/b].

Krispy

 2008/9/3 7:35
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 Re: Ester is a questionable book!!! maynotBauthentic

Mor'decai

The Bible could not be any clearer

Mordecai The son of Jair, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Ester 2-
5. Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;
6. Who had been carried away from Jerusalem with the captivity which had been carried away with Jeconiah king of Judah, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away.
(Esther 2:5-6)

Where is the mystery? Read the Bible if you believe that it is the inspired word of God and your faith will be rewarded.


Eddie


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 2008/9/3 8:51Profile









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Agree w/ rowdy

Krispy

 2008/9/3 10:06
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There is a whole lot more to be gleaned from Esther then what a casual reading of the book will convey.

Who was Haman? Check it out. Shall I tell you or do you want to do your own research? Maybe I will tell you and then you can go see if I am right.

Haman was a Agagite (Esther 3: 1). This means he was of the linage of Agag. And who was Agag? He was the king of the Amalekites that King Saul was commanded to destroy but didn't (Samuel later chopped him to pieces). In any case it appears some of his family escaped and was later carried away to Babylon. Could it be possible that this family had nursed a hatred for Jews in all these years and now found a way to exterminate them for what was done to their nation many years ago? And if King Saul had been faithful in obeying the LORD it may not have come to this. And to add insult to injury, God used a young woman to bring about a release! (Don't tell me God does not have a sense of humor!)

Now, can't you tell I love this book?!!

Anyhow, there is more to this book then a casual reading will give. Study it from God's perspective and see what lessons you will learn.

Blessings,
ginnyrose


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 2008/9/4 10:45Profile
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 Re: Ester or Ishtar

Yes I believe that GODs WORD is Inspired, and unchangable...look at how many Apocryphal books didn't make the cut...this is very assuring that men who feared GOD could discern what to keep and what to lose.

My only reservation is that at one time the Apostals themselves gave The HOLY Spirit a choice between two men to replace Judas, and they were following the WORD by faith, but Paul was GODs choice that they never would have known.

SO considering that the DEAD SEA SCROLLS DO NOT CONTAIN THIS book, seems to be adding weight to this claim, of "impostor Scripture"

 2008/9/4 23:28Profile
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Jair, and Shimeiare jewish names yes Mordecai is a Babylonian name...so if he was carried to Babylon as a captive, why is he in Assyria? It is a GLARING ERROR.

The DEAD SEA scrolls do not contain a copy of Ester AT ALL, but they do have a copy of Isaiah that PROVES that Isaiah wrote about Christ before HIS comming!!! Awesome.

I really think Ester is bogus. Though I've always liked it, I am trying to put my prejudice aside to facts, and I need more people who can critically examine this with me...not just a another bunch of sinners turned pastor chronee who like Mormans "blindly defend" a faith which can not be supported.

my GOD says in Isaiah 41:20 to consider things to see that HE made them. I have no fear HIS truth is what is real.

Do you remember when timing of the captivity of Israel into Assyria? or the Babylonian captivity, did they transport slaves between each other?, were jews considered slaves or guests? Could a rich Jewish family move extended family to another kingdom? Does Jesus ever refer to Ester? Or any New test scrpt?

Like I said before seeing the apostles error by choosing the wrong replacement for Judas by assuming the HOLY Spirit had to choose between two men, on a day of their choosing. For GODs predestined ruler of one of the tribes of Israel, who is the one of the Twelve of Jesus...not thirteen. Either Paul is GODs choice or hes not an apostle, I think he is, and its proof that godly men, who believe the WORD by faith...even at the right application can make incorrect assumptions, and GOD won't throw up a flag.

 2008/9/4 23:45Profile
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Eddie, THAT IS the point Mordecai is in Assyria, not Babylon. Its so clear I think you missed it.

 2008/9/4 23:49Profile









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I really think Ester is bogus.



Well, I dont agree. Sorry.

And using the apostles alleged "error" as an example of how a bogus book could have made it into the Cannon is to rely too much on human effort to preserve His Word when He promised as far back in Psalms that [b]HE[/b] would preserve His Word.

If we question Esther... then next week we'll question Genesis... and then Mark... and then... etc etc. Eventually we'll doubt the entire Bible.

No, God preserved His Word. The Book of Esther is not bogus. To say there is an error in the Word of God is to say that God doesnt keep His promises. If He doesnt keep His promises then we have nothing.

Krispy

 2008/9/5 7:54





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