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Mrbillpro- I think the tone with which you write says more about you than what you actually wrote. Your opinion is overdshadowed by an overt and mocking sarcasm that even Osteen himself would probably not sanction for his defense.

 2008/7/16 9:08
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Ladies and gentlemen, I knew from the beginning why this thread was started, so here we go, you have this person come here that don't like Joel Osteen, so instead of just starting a thread and saying I don't like Osteen and talking for themselves using there own opinions, they stand behind John MacArthur and let him do the talking for them as someone "to them" that may have a more creditable opinion.
So here's what a worthless thread like this has done, it's caused more division in the body and more strife over "opinions" this person came here with a mission and it sure was not to edify the body, it was to tear down, but as I said earlier these kind of missions will get worse in the end times, so we as Christians better learn to not go along just to get along and learn to discern the reasons folks start these threads of especially opinions and not truth, the only "real" truth I know of are the words inside the covers of my Bible. See these kind of posters don't care or have any desire to care, that maybe just maybe Osteens book has sold millions upon millions and may of actually help someone they don't care all about that, all they care about is tearing down the body
of Christ and causing strife upon the body over just someone's opinion.


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 2008/7/16 9:35Profile
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coley wrote:
Mrbillpro- I think the tone with which you write says more about you than what you actually wrote. Your opinion is overdshadowed by an overt and mocking sarcasm that even Osteen himself would probably not sanction for his defense.



Thanks for your "opinion" brother and yes maybe I am a little tuff and not your average timid Christian, but all in all I still have my right to my opinion and like millions of other Christians I am sure there have been times they have not spoken
the best words either and have also used sarcasm, maybe at the very least behind the closed doors of there homes, but would never admit it. Well I am not ashamed to post mine publicly because I still have not reach the perfection stage as some have, so if your "really" a Christian you might understand this guy is still work in progress and look at yourself and say hey I am not being very forgiving.


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 2008/7/16 9:43Profile
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One man's opinion, sure is funny he pick up the book and read it, I wonder why? maybe he was looking for his best life now. :-)
I sure hope jealousy did not play a part in his opinion, but I am sure it did somewhat.
Were was his discernment? he should have never even picked up the book, I wonder if he looks at pornography first before he decides his opinion on it also. As much as all these Pastors today say God speaks to them, I guess God was on a coffee break when he was deciding to pick up this book and read it. Me personally I just think he was a little jealous, but I am entitled to my opinion just like he is.





With all due respect to the moderators and Gregg, this reply should be removed from this thread. It is reprehensible and foul. John MacArthur is a very well respected scholar and bible teacher, who does not deserve to be treated with such disrespect. If you have an opposing opinion you have the liberty to express it. But, in my opinion, you DO NOT have to right to use this kind of pornography analogy in connection to a brother in Christ. You have cross the line MrBillPro. Your mind needs to be renewed. The American way is "freedom of expression". However, you will do well to take note that there's One that is taking note of "every idle word" we speak or write. That is a warning to you. Yes, we have liberty, but do not use it erroneously. I personally do not like Osteen's teachings. I think they are wordly and earthly minded. But I can't imagine dishonoring him the way you have Pastor MacArthur. If you want to be a man of God (a Christian) then you must learn how to minister the word/truth in love with meekness and gentleness. The idea is always to help the person see the truth.

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With all due respect to the moderators and Gregg, this reply should be removed from this thread. It is reprehensible and foul. John MacAuthur is a very well respected scholar and bible teacher, who does not deserve to be treated with such disrespect. If you have a opposing opinion you have the liberty to express it. But, in my opinion, you DO NOT have to right to use this kind of pornography analogy in connection to a brother in Christ. You have cross the line MrBillPro. Your mind needs to be renewed. The American way is "freedom of expression". However, you will do well to take note that there's One that is taking note of "every idle word" we speak or write. That is a warning to you. Yes, we have liberty, but do not use it erroneously. I personally do not like Osteen's teachings. I think they are wordly and earthly minded. But I can't imagine dishonoring him they way you have Pastor MacAuthur. If you want to be a man of God (a Christian) then you must learn how to minister the word/truth in love with meekness and gentleness. The idea is always to help the person see the truth.



Another "opinion" of someone that don't like Joel Osteen and even admitted it and also why would this person "quote" me to bring back something to the top of a thread that he has so much of a problem with, you know the norm here would be maybe I look for trash on MacAuthur but there is a better side of me here that will not, why? because then I would be playing into there hands and that won't happen. And now you have this person that likes and respects MacAuthur but won't accept my opinion of Osteen, I am out of this thread that has done nothing at all but tear down since the beginning, so I will be the bigger person and let the tearing down be done by the rest of the Osteen haters. Have a Blessed day unless you have other plans.


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MrBillPro:

He that has ears to hear, let them hear. You're hearing-filters are jammed with so much negativity that you could not hear nor comprehend what was being ministered to you. Hearing, they will not hear. Seeing, they will not see. It's a shame.

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"Thanks for your "opinion" brother and yes maybe I am a little tuff and not your average timid Christian, but all in all I still have my right to my opinion and like millions of other Christians I am sure there have been times they have not spoken"- mrbillpro

Look at what I wrote. Did I ever say you were not entitled to your opinion brother? My post was not about the content of your 'opinion' but the manner in which you wrote it. I never questioned your rights, I questioned the manner with which it was written and I stand by it. That's my opinion and I have a right to it. As for the timid/tuff stuff I'm not real sure how that even applies. If you consider mockery and sarcasm and your casual use of analogies to John MacArthur even citing pornography then I guess your tuff.

"like millions of other Christians I am sure there have been times they have not spoken
the best words either and have also used sarcasm, maybe at the very least behind the closed doors of there homes, but would never admit it."

So in some ways you are average, like millions of other Christians. It seems to me that you are average when it benefits or justifies your behavior and not so average in the same manner. I'm not going for the 'I still have not reach the perfection stage as some have' stuff. That in and of itself is par for the sarcasm. Whose the 'some have' that you are referring to? And being in the 'perfection stage' is no justification either.

'look at yourself and say hey I am not being very forgiving.'

You don't have to worry about my forgiveness, I'm not in charge of Christ like behavior. My take on your posts here are observations for you, you can take them or leave them brother. You have 963 posts on this site... I would say that makes you somewhat culpable. We're all guilty of being sarcastic or posting in a spirit of disgruntlement the question is whether we keep justifying it by implying ourselves imperfect and everyone else perfect and unforgiving, or be convicted by it.

 2008/7/16 10:46
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I saw the clips of Joel Osteen on Larry King and the things that came straight from his mouth were very disturbing in light of the true Biblical message. I remember him saying that Jesus was NOT the only way (among other things). It should all end there. His message is Universalism and his theology is Humanistic.

If Osteen preached repentance of sin, salvation by faith in Jesus alone, and that Jesus is the ONLY way, and if anyone rejects Jesus, judgment and an eternity in Hell awaits; if he PLEADED for souls and really stood in the gap for this dying world - if that was the heart and core of his preaching, then I would not have a problem with him myself.

But don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the guy, I just don't like his message. It is misleading, and really consider this; would his message stand in the New Testament church where there was true fire and turmoil over sinners? I think not.


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He that has ears to hear, let them hear. You're hearing-filters are jammed with so much negativity that you could not hear nor comprehend what was being ministered to you. Hearing, they will not hear. Seeing, they will not see. It's a shame.



Just think you should be careful here brother. Just because Mr BillPro likes Joel Osteen does not mean he does not have ears to hear (spiritually speaking).





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 2008/7/16 11:52Profile
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That is so not true! I did not post it to cause division, how can you make such a vile assumption, you don't even know me!

I saw it on the Truth Matters website, got excited about it because I loved how Dr. MacArthur showed the flipside and it really ministered to me. It reminded me that we are just passing through here, strangers in a strange land, and the hope of Glory. I immediately wanted to share it with my brothers and sisters here on SI. That was the motivation for my post, nothing more and nothing less, as God is my witness.

I apologize to everyone for the ugly turn of this thread.

:-( :-( :-(

 2008/7/16 12:30Profile





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