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Thommy2
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 Views of the Trinity

The First Five listed are the Five Largest Churches is America.

WE BELIEVE…in one God who exists in three distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came to this earth as Savior of the world. – Joel Osteen
http://joelosteen.lakewood.cc/site/PageServer?pagename=JOM_whatwebelieve

... As the Bible teaches, there is one God, eternally existing in three persons — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit — each possessing all the attributes of Deity.- Willow Creek
http://www.willowcreek.org/what_we_believe.asp

There is one God. He is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He eternally exists in three personalities: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and one. He is perfect in His many attributes of holiness, love, power, knowledge, justice, and mercy. – Ed Young Sr
http://www.second.org/global/our_beliefs.aspx

ABOUT GOD
God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God.
Genesis 1:1,26,27; 3:22; Psalm 90:2; Matthew 28:19; 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Corinthians 13:14 – SaddleBack Church
http://saddleback.com/flash/believe2.html

God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has eternally existed in three personalities: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are coequal and are one God. – Life Church
http://www.lifechurch.tv/believe

Bishop Eddie Long has the 13th biggest church in America. I cannot find a doctrinal statement on his website. I do know you don’t need to agree with anything to become a member http://www.bellministries.org/docs/FH_Application.pdf
http://www.newbirth.org/faqs.asp

God Is Triune
There is one God: infinite, eternal, almighty, and perfect in holiness, truth, and love. In the unity of the godhead there are three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, co-existent, co-equal, co-eternal. The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Spirit, yet each is truly Deity. One God—Father, Son and Holy Spirit—is the foundation of Christian faith and life. – Sovereign Grace Ministries
http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/About/StatementOfFaith/Overview.aspx

God -There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three manifestations: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. – T.D. Jakes (10th Largest Church in America)
http://www.thepottershouse.org/v2/content/view/18/32/

Kenneth Copeland had no particulars on the Trinity
http://www.kcm.org/about/index.php?p=what_we_believe

You have to read a book for John Macarthur
http://www.gracechurch.org/home/doclib.asp?ministry_id=1&dlcat=Doctrinal+Statement

Creflo Dollar has no doctrinal statement (at least I could not find one) I know in Milwaukee last year (August 2007) Creflo absolutely taught modalism. Saying, like He (Creflo) is a teacher, father, and husband God “manifests” Himself as Father, Son, and Spirit.
http://www.creflodollarministries.org/Public/AboutUs/Frequently-Asked-Questions.aspx

I also could find no doctrinal statement for Benny Hinn
http://www.bennyhinn.org/default.cfm
We believe there is one living and true God who has revealed Himself in three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, infinitely perfect and eternal in existence and equal in glory, majesty and power (Matt 28:19; Luke 3:21 -22): - Fresh Fire Ministries (Todd Bentley)
http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?Id=106&pid=8

We believe there is one God who lives forever in three persons: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19) – Toronto Blessing Folks
http://www.tacf.org/tacforghome/whoweare/ourvalues/tabid/115/Default.aspx


Rob Bell’s Church says notta on the Trinity
http://www.marshill.org/believe/

the Godhead
We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—co-eternal in being, co-eternal in nature, co-equal in power and glory, having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; 2 Corinthians 13:14) – Marc Driscoll
http://www.marshillchurch.org/content/DoctrinalStatement

We believe that there is one God who is the loving Creator of all that exists, both seen and unseen. God is eternal and completely good, knowing all things, having all power and majesty. We believe God exists eternally in perfect co-equal community as three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. (Genesis 1:26-27; Deuteronomy 6:4; Colossians 1:15-17; Hebrews 1:8, 2 Corinthians 13:14) – Dan Kimball; Vintage Faith Church
http://www.vintagechurch.org/about/theology/core-beliefs/beliefs#god

John Hagee’s church mentions the Trinity, but does not have a bullet point on the Triune nature of God.
http://www.sacornerstone.com/faq_what_we_believe.asp

This web-site will lead you to THE BAPTIST CONFESSION OF FAITH
http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc02.html

We believe that Scripture teaches that there is only one true and living God who has chosen to reveal Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10,11; Matthew 28:19; Luke 3:22). – Rod Parsley
http://whc.rodparsley.com/WeBelieve.aspx

The Largest Church in the World is “Yoido Full Gospel Church” with 830,000 members. I could not find information on the Trinity.
http://english.fgtv.com/


Hey Y’all!
I believe that a “confessional” Christianity is very very important. If you were to look at web-sites and see a church's belief statement and read them like some of the statements above(or lack there of), you may know if you would/wouldn’t go to a service if you were in town. Also when you read some, they sound good, but we know that a statement can be deceiving (Joel Osteen has a good definition of the Trinity). Okay here’s my question for today

How does our view of the Trinity affect our salvation? Does the effectual calling of our Saviour bring us a more clear view of the mysteries of the Godhead, so that we’ll eventually have a more biblical view? Is it possible to be a Christian for 30 (x amount of) years, die holding a view like “modalism” , and actually have been a Christian?

I personally find these to be difficult questions. Sometimes you meet very zealous (and I know the empirical is not always proof – see Jonathan Edwards “Faith without feelings”) Christians and their view of the Trinity may be very hazy, or even down right heretical! And also to define what I mean by “hazy”; it is not so much as “Please perfectly define the Trinity for me” but is more of a “Please be able to tell me what the Trinity is not/Please be able to discern false teaching on the Trinity when you hear it (I think of when Creflo Dollar heretically defined the Trinity people “oooed and aaahed” and applauded his definition!)

Let me know what you think about this

Thom
:-)


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Thom

 2008/6/18 14:19Profile
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 Re: Views of the Trinity

Hey, this is a good post and obviously you have done some homework to prepare.

Has not the Deity of Christ been the most contested issue on the face of the earth since His first coming?

This has also been for me the area of most struggle, doctrinally, how to understand etc...

I had a meeting with a local pastor about four years ago. This pastor was church of God and did not consider Jesus to be divine. His arguments messed me up for about eight months, I finally recieved some peace on the issue.
Lately, I had a discussion with a dear brother, young in the Lord, who believes that one must pray to all three, and have a relationship with all three.

See, how contested this issue is and yet, I feel the same as you, that a 'correct' doctrinal belief on this is vital to salvation. Not necessarily the doctrinal statement, but an accurate and right standing with God, in relationship.

So, is your intent to discover what others believe and their thoughts on this, or if there can be a correct and undeniable doctrine about this?

Should we begin by stating the facts:

[b]God[/b] is Spirit. He is God and above Him there is no other. He is Father (ABBA). (John 20:17)
[b]Jesus[/b] is flesh and has retained His perfected, resurrected body and sits on the right hand of the throne of God. (Col 2:9, 1 Tim 2:5) Jesus Christ bore witness of the Father and came from the Father, in fact before Abraham was, He was. And all things were created through Him.
[b]Holy Spirit[/b] has been poured out and is among us. (Acts 2:17-18) The World knows Him not because they do not see Him or know Him (John 14:17)

Agreed?


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 2008/6/18 15:11Profile
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"So, is your intent to discover what others believe and their thoughts on this, or if there can be a correct and undeniable doctrine about this? " - Rauch34

I guess one my intents is to get a communal Trinitarian Creed that we could agree would be an orthodox view of our Lord....and a way to effectively/constructively converse with brothers on not only their error (which is many times easier to point out than for us to define a Biblical view) and the importance of good doctrine, but on how a proper view of God is life changing. I read a little bit of Richard Phillips "what's so great about the doctrines of grace" and he said something really cool. (Now if you are arminian forget that this is a calvinistic book :-) ) He said that many christians feel like they have been born again AGAIN when they saw the sovereignty of God for the first time (a paraphrase by the way). I thinks that's a really important aspect of our faith...A proper view of the Triune Lord WILL change every aspect of your christian walk in a positive way.

so my intents are not as precise as our theology should be and this thread is open to more than my points/opinions, but I do hope that we all can see the Triune nature of God in a clearer more biblical way

Thommy


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Thom

 2008/6/18 16:14Profile
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 Re: Views of the Trinity

Creflo's church is [url=http://www.worldchangers.org]World Changers Church International[/url]

The doctrinal statement there seems to imply that he is a trinitarian, although he isn't explicit (not surprising). Do you know for sure that he is Sabellian?

I have been to one of his services and seen some his stuff online, and he preaches the wealth/greed/"all about the Benjamins"/Jesus wants you to be rich trash and is generally VERY sloppy with the word of God apparently to his own end.

Didn't also know he was a modalist. Do you have other sources?


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 2008/6/18 16:42Profile
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BeYeDoers wrote:
Creflo's church is [url=http://www.worldchangers.org]World Changers Church International[/url]

The doctrinal statement there seems to imply that he is a trinitarian, although he isn't explicit (not surprising). Do you know for sure that he is Sabellian?

I have been to one of his services and seen some his stuff online, and he preaches the wealth/greed/"all about the Benjamins"/Jesus wants you to be rich trash and is generally VERY sloppy with the word of God apparently to his own end.

Didn't also know he was a modalist. Do you have other sources?



If I missed his belief statement I apologize for misrepresenting his "ministry". The only thing I have was hearing him last year. I am sure you could get a tape/recording of his sermon from the Great Lakes Conference 2007. I think he preached two services...the one I was at started with about Ten minutes of screaming "tongues". So I am sure it could be found somewhere on line


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 2008/6/18 16:57Profile
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The Athanasian Creed is a good, orthodox statement of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for modern churches to use it in their doctrinal statements.

[url=http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html]Athanasian Creed[/url]

You'll notice in the first line how the writer viewed its importance.


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Taylor Otwell

 2008/6/18 18:36Profile
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Creflo is probably confessionally trinitarian in doctrine (I can't imagine Trinity Brodcasting Network would let him on if he were not). However, Creflo's error is a rather simple and common one... examples given to explain the doctrine of the Trinity do not match up with the actual Trinitarian doctrine. While I think his comment does wreak of modalism, it's just as modalistic as common Sunday school examples given to explain the Trinity. Such as the melting ice cube, or an egg. Yet if you were to ask your Sunday school teacher if they were sure they were Trinitarian after given such an example, I'm sure they'd defend it until they were blue in the face. Sometimes, in my opinion, people just don't think things through :-)


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Hey King Jimmy

I think that's a huge problem though. If you are "sitting in a seat of authority" as Creflo was you need to know what you are going to say...especially when it comes to the essentials of our faith. Also the crowd errupted in applause to his definition...that's why i hope a thread like this could help us as brothers and sisters to discern error and only "applaud" truth


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 2008/6/19 9:27Profile
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Quote:

TaylorOtwell wrote:
The Athanasian Creed is a good, orthodox statement of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. It probably wouldn't be a bad idea for modern churches to use it in their doctrinal statements.

[url=http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html]Athanasian Creed[/url]

You'll notice in the first line how the writer viewed its importance.



I LOVE this!!! I've read this before and thought that this should be put into a song and sang at youth groups...seriously it has a great flow and even better theology!

If you are a youth group leader do something about this :-x :-P


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 2008/6/19 9:31Profile
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 Re: the TRINITY

So...how have each one of you come to personally understand and appropriate the trinity? It is one thing to comment on what others have written and point and say that is good, but what about you personally. I think that is what this post is about.

So, is it enough to just adhere to the

[url=http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html]Athanasian Creed[/url]

only and that is enough? Or, must we appropriate accurately and assimilate it fully into our minds? Of course this kind of understanding can only be given from above, for a natural man would only make fun at a doctrine like this.

But what is to happen from this information in things such as the athansian creed and others? Is it merely what we say or what it has become in us. This doctrine, of the Trinity is not separate from the gospel, or the works of the Holy Spirit or any other doctrine contained within the Bible; it is all one and the same. Proceeding from one Father, Lord of all, and may only come from a drawing nigh unto Him and knowing Him.

Am I mumbly jumbly ... ?


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