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An Memoirs of the Revivalist
Speaker: Robert Wurtz II
Date: Thursday, July 1st
Time: 9:00 pm EST (1 hour)
Description: When men and women prevail in prayer to God and preach with eternity in their eyes revival often follows. What are the results of a man who preached as if He loved the Lord His God with all his heart and his neighbor as himself? Charles Finney accounts of one of his meetings, “At first they looked angry. Some of them said later that they were on the point of getting up and leaving. But I followed them up on the track of their prayers and confessions, until the leading elder burst into tears and exclaimed, "Brother Finney, it's all true!" He fell to his knees and wept aloud. This was the signal for a general breaking. Every man and woman went down on their knees.“



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This is looking to be a great seminar on some of the early revivals in Finney's day! I encourage everyone at SI to signup for this live event tonight at 9:00pm EST. You HAVE to register before hand.

Here are some good quotes:

Revival is a renewed conviction of sin and repentance, followed by an intense desire to live in obedience to God. It is giving up one's will to God in deep humility. -Charles Finney

"I have never known a person sweat blood; but I have known a person pray till the blood started from his nose. And I have known persons to pray till they were all wet with perspiration, in the coldest weather in winter. I have known persons pray for hours, till their strength was all exhausted with the agony of their minds. Such prayers prevailed with God." –Charles G. Finney

"A revival of religion presupposes a declension."
-Charles G. Finney

"There can be no revival when Mr. Amen and Mr. Wet-Eyes are not found in the audience." -Charles G. Finney

"Revival comes from heaven when heroic souls enter the conflict determined to win or die-or if need be, to win and die! "The kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force." -Charles G. Finney

"Some men will spin out a long prayer telling God who and what he is, or they pray out a whole system of divinity. Some people preach, others exhort the people, till everybody wishes they would stop, and God wishes so, too, most undoubtedly." -Charles G. Finney


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Here are the notes for the Live Seminar, you can either print them out beforehand or reference to them online during the seminar. The notes are also available directly in the articles section here: [url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=3922]Memoirs of the Revivalist (The Earliest Years Part 1) [/url]

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Memoirs of the Revivalist
(The Earliest Years Part 1)
Compiled By Robert Wurtz II

PRAYING THAT YOU MIGHT PREACH

It has been over 150 years since Charles G. Finney began preaching the great revivals that would eventually be part of what we know as the Second Great Awakening. Charles Finney believed that 2 things were required for revival: prevailing prayer and powerful preaching. As we learn from his, ‘Lectures on Revivals’, preaching is done to influence men, but prevailing prayer is done to influence God.

It is important to rightly understand the meaning of genuine love for God and our neighbor before we proceed looking at some of the accounts of Charles Finney’s preaching methods and the results. Love for God and his Christ will cause you to place His glory above all other motives in life. As a minister, love for your neighbor will drive you to pray and preach until you prevail with God and man for the salvation of their eternal souls. This is genuine love- that Christ would receive those for whom He died.

A lot of things have been said about Charles Finney and his methods of preaching revival. People didn’t like them then and many do not like them now. Charles Finney did not believe in preaching assurance of salvation apart from obedience to God’s word. His theological positions would seem to many to be unorthodox. He believed that when a Christian sinned that they were on the same footing with a sinner before God. This led to preaching that demanded that people live upright before God if they were expect to ever see a moment in Heaven.

Jesus told us to go into the highway and hedges and compel the people to come in. This is exactly what Charles Finney did under the anointing of the Holy Spirit. He compelled them and the Spirit of God convicted them. And when the people were thoroughly convicted of their sins after sometimes many days without an altar call, Charles Finney would show them Christ and they would reach out for pardon in faith. For the revivals of the Second Great Awakening, the compulsion that led to conviction yielded conversion by the Spirit of God. God calls His servants to compel- that HE might convict and convert.

THE EVANGELISTIC TEAM

Daniel Nash was a former pastor of a small church in the frontier of New York for six years, that later traveled as a prayer warrior with Charles G. Finney for seven more years until his death. Daniel (Father) Nash was deemed too old to preach at his church; so, on September 25, 1822, a strange church meeting was called at an unusual time and he was voted out by a vote of nine to three. The only reasons surviving to this day in the records were that they wanted "a young man to settle in." At the age of 46 they felt him too old, and resented his traveling. God still used this former pastor to send revival, but he was not reinstated. God blessed this rejected pastor. Through all of this God was breaking and preparing the heart of His man to leave a public ministry of preaching for a life of private prayer.

The Plight of the Prayer Warrior

If there is one thing that has a crushing effect on a person it is rejection. For Daniel Nash, he had been to his own personal garden of crushing (Gethsemane) in the time following his removal by the church board. About the same time in 1824 Charles Finney was to be examined for a license to preach. This would be their first encounter. They ministered together for 7 years as he and a man named Abel Clary would go before Finney and pray until they prevailed. J. Paul Reno writes, “It is said of Finney that, "his evangelistic party consisted of prayer partners, who went before him and sought the Lord in some secluded spot. And when Finney was preaching Father Nash (Daniel Nash) and Mr. Clary were hidden away somewhere praying for him. No wonder cities were stirred and a vast harvest of souls reaped." This concept of an evangelistic party made up of praying men has nearly been lost in these days of organizers, promoters, big names, etc. Such praying men not only sustained Finney's ministry, but explain the power in preaching and long-lasting results. This partnership in ministry lasted roughly 7 years and after the passing of Daniel Nash, Charles Finney took a position of pastor within 3 months at Chatham Chapel. J. Paul Reno summarizes Daniel Nash’s life, death, and ministry, “His tombstone is in a neglected cemetery along a dirt road behind a livestock auction barn. His church no longer exists, its meetinghouse location marked by a historical marker in a corn field; the building is gone, its timber used to house grain at a feed mill four miles down the road. No books tell his life story, no pictures or diaries can be found, his descendants (if any) cannot be located, and his messages are forgotten. He wrote no books, started no schools, led no movements, and generally, kept out of sight.” Daniel Nash entered his prayer closet in secret and the God who answers by fire rewarded those meetings openly. Reno continues, “The majority of prayer for those who would be so used must be in private. They do not seek either the eye nor ear of men, but rather the ear of God. They seek a closet alone with God. Nash used a cellar, a room in a boarding house, a nearby house, or a grove of trees where he could pour out his heart to God alone or with just a few others of similar burden and heart.” Daniel Nash died on his knees in prayer.


THE SIX-MONTH MISSION

At the age of thirty-one years, roughly three months after Charles Finney was ordained to preach by the St. Lawrence Presbytery, the female missionary society in Oneida County, New York commissioned him to preach for a six-month term in the counties to their north. Charles Finney had no regular training for the ministry and he did not expect or desire to labor in large towns or cities, or minister to cultivated congregations. He intended to go into the new settlements and preach in schoolhouses, and barns, and groves, as doors opened.

Charles Finney went first into the northern part of Jefferson County in northwestern New York State, and began his ministry at Evans' Mills, in the town of Le Ray. The village of Evans’ Mills is situated within the Town of Le Ray, in Jefferson County, New York. Here he found two churches, a small Congregational church without a minister, and a Baptist church with a minister. He presented his credentials to the deacons of the church, they gladly accepted him, and he began to minister. The churches had no meetinghouse; but the two churches worshipped alternately in a large stone schoolhouse, large enough to accommodate all the children in the village. The Baptists occupied the house one Sunday, and the Congregationalists the next; so that I could have the house but every other Sunday. Finney could use the School House in the evenings as often as needed. Because of this he divided his Sundays between Evans' Mills and Antwerp, a village roughly 12 miles to their northeast.

Entertained but not Converted

Charles Finney began to preach alternately from week to week in the schoolhouse at Evans' Mills. The people were very interested, and thronged the place to hear him preach. They celebrated his preaching; and the little Congregational church became very hopeful that there would be a revival. However, no general conviction appeared upon them corporately. Finney was very dissatisfied with this state of things; and at one of the evening services, after having preached there two or three Sundays, and several evenings in the week, He told the people at the close of his sermon, “I have come here to secure the salvation of your souls; my preaching, I know, is highly complimented by you; but, I did not come here to please you but to bring you to repentance; it matters not to me how well you are pleased with my preaching, if after all you reject my Master; something is wrong, either in me or in you. The kind of interest you manifested for my preaching is doing you no good; and I cannot spend my time with you unless you are going to receive the Gospel.” Charles Finney then, quoted the words of Abraham's servant, saying to them, "Now will you deal kindly and truly with my master? If you will, tell me; and if not, tell me, that I may turn to the right hand or to the left." He wanted to know whether or not they were going to receive Christ as Lord or resist the Gospel. If they had determined to resist he was going to leave; if they were going to receive Christ he would stay. He said to them, "You admit that what I preach is the Gospel. You profess to believe it. Now will you receive it? Do you mean to receive it, or do you intend to reject it? You must have some mind about it. And now I have a right to take it for granted, in as much as you admit that I have preached the truth, that you acknowledge your obligation at once to become Christians. This obligation you do not deny; but will you meet the obligation? Will you discharge it? Will you do what you admit you ought to do? If you will not, tell me; and if you will, tell me, that I may turn to the right hand or to the left."

Who is on the Lord’s Side?

Charles Finney was not an entertainer. He had one objective- to see the people turn to God and walk upright before Him. He was not looking for the praise of men. He pressed this congregation by telling them to stand up if they wanted Christ. They remained seated. He sent them home to ponder that they had rejected the Lord. Reflecting back on this Finney writes, “I said to them, "Then you are committed. You have taken your stand. You have rejected Christ and His Gospel; and ye are witnesses one against the other, and God is witness against you all. This is explicit and you may remember as long as you live, that you have thus publicly committed yourselves against the Savior, and said, 'We will not have this man, Christ Jesus, to reign over us.'" This is the purport of what I urged upon them, and as nearly in these words as I can recollect. When I thus pressed them they began to look angry, and arose, en masse, and started for the door. When they began to move, I paused. As soon as I stopped speaking they turned to see why I did not go on. I said, "I am sorry for you; and will preach to you once more, the Lord willing, tomorrow night."

Who in our day would take such a stand for Christ? Who would be willing to press so hard upon the minds and hearts of men as to move beyond the emotions to move the will? This type of preaching came with a large price tag. Finney continues, “But for that evening and the next day they were full of wrath. Deacon McC and myself agreed upon the spot, to spend the next day in fasting and prayer separately in the morning, and together in the afternoon. I learned in the course of the day that the people were threatening me--to ride me on a rail, to tar and feather me, and to give me a "walking paper," as they said. Some of them cursed me; and said that I had put them under oath, and made them swear that they would not serve God; that I had drawn them into a solemn and public pledge to reject Christ and His Gospel.“

The time came for the service to begin; they left the woods and went to the village. The people were already thronging till the house was filled to its utmost capacity. As was always his method, Finney did not have a sermon written out to preach and in this case had not even thought about what he should preach. Finney recounts the start of the meeting, “The Holy Spirit was upon me, and I felt confident that when the time came for ACTION I should know what to preach. As soon as I found the house packed, so that no more could get in, I arose, and I think, without any formal introduction of singing, opened upon them with these words: "Say ye to the righteous that it shall be well with him; for they shall eat the fruit of their doings. WOE to the wicked! It shall be ill with him; for the reward of his hands shall be given him." The Spirit of God came upon me with such power, that it was like opening a battery upon them. For more than an hour, and perhaps for an hour and a half, the Word of God came through me to them in a manner that I could see was carrying all before it. It was a fire and a hammer breaking the rock; and as the sword that was piercing to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit. I saw that a general conviction was spreading over the whole congregation. Many of them could not hold up their heads. I did not call that night for any reversal of the action they had taken the night before, nor for any committal of themselves in any way; but took it for granted, during the whole of the sermon, that they were committed against the Lord. Then I appointed another meeting, and dismissed the congregation.”

Compelled and Convicted

This is where 99% of ministers would have made an altar call. But not Charles G. Finney. He sent the people home again to ponder their estate before God. Before he was through ministering, the fallow ground of their hearts was thoroughly plowed and mellowed if they were but yielding to the Holy Spirit at all. And in that brokenness God can plant the seed of His good word. Many ministers in our day stop well short of such brokenness in their preaching and the results bare this out.

You may wonder what kind of an effect this type of preaching has on a person? One account Finney gives is very telling. He writes, “As the people withdrew, I observed a woman in the arms of some of her friends, who were supporting her, in one part of the house; and I went to see what was the matter, supposing that she was in a fainting fit. But I soon found that she was not fainting, but that she could not speak. There was a look of the greatest anguish in her face, and she made me understand that she could not speak. I advised the women to take her home, and pray with her, and see what the Lord would do. They informed me that she was Miss G, sister of the well-known missionary, and that she was a member of the church in good standing, and had been for several years. That evening, instead of going to my usual lodgings, I accepted an invitation, and went home with a family where I had not before stopped over night. Early in the morning I found that I had been sent for to the place where I was supposed to be, several times during the night, to visit families where there were persons under awful distress of mind. This led me to sally forth among the people, and everywhere I found a state of wonderful conviction of sin and alarm for their souls. After lying in a speechless state about sixteen hours, Miss G's mouth was opened, and a new song was given her. She was taken from the horrible pit of miry clay, and her feet were set upon a rock; and it was true that many saw it and feared.” She later told her testimony that she had never really known the Lord and had believed a false hope. She was saved for the first time in her life though she had been many years in church.

Is it Love?

I must take a moment to reflect on this one question, “Is it love to allow people that we esteem as friends or family to go on believing a lie and be damned?” Or “Is it cruel to minister in a way that would leave a person unable to speak or in agony of soul for days if that was the only way the person would be converted?” Keep in mind that this woman was the wife of a missionary and had heard countless messages in her life that never brought her to genuine repentance and faith. What would have happened had Charles G. Finney not been sent by God to that church?

Great Opposition

Anytime God is doing a work the enemy is working through people to bring all sorts of distractions and resistance. This was also true in this revival. Finney recounts, “There was one old man in this place, who was not only an infidel, but a great railer at religion. He was very angry with the revival movement. I heard every day of his railing and blaspheming, but took no public notice of it. He refused altogether to attend a meeting. But in the midst of his opposition, and when his excitement was great, while sitting one morning at the table, he suddenly fell out of his chair in a fit of apoplexy (brain hemorrhage). A physician was immediately called, who, after a brief examination, told him that he could live but a very short time; and that if he had anything to say, he must say it at once. He had just strength and time, as I was informed, to stammer out, "Don't let Finney pray over my corpse." This was the last of his opposition in that place.”

There are accounts of various people resisting the word of the Lord and refusing to repent and going out into eternity in that condition. One woman was a Universalist who did turn to Christ. Her husband was a Universalist also and when he heard that Finney had preached the true gospel to her and she was converted he went into a rage. This man swore he would "kill Finney." He armed himself with a loaded pistol, and that night went to the meeting where he was to preach. Finney did not know he was there. The meeting that evening was in a schoolhouse out of the village. The house was packed, almost to suffocation. Finney describes that night, “I went on to preach with all my might; and almost in the midst of my discourse I saw a powerful looking man, about in the middle of the house, fall from his seat. As he sunk down he groaned, and then cried or shrieked out, that he was sinking to hell. He repeated that several times. The people knew who he was, but he was a stranger to me. I think I had never seen him before. Of course this created a great excitement. It broke up my preaching; and so great was his anguish that we spent the rest of our time in praying for him.” The man went home sorely distressed, but was miraculously converted and met Finney in the road early in the morning a new man.

Binding Together with the Prince of Prayer

When Father Nash (Daniel Nash) came to Evans' Mills he was full of the power of prayer. He was another man altogether from what he had been at any former period of his Christian life. Finney writes, “I found that he had a praying list, as he called it, of the names of persons whom he made subjects of prayer every day, and sometimes many times a day. And praying with him, and hearing him pray in meeting, I found that his gift of prayer was wonderful, and his faith almost miraculous.” He had come just in time to help pray for a village tavern owner that we shall call Mr. D. The tavern owned by Mr. D
was the refuge of all the opposers of the revival. The bar room was a place of blasphemy; and Mr. D was himself a most profane, ungodly and abusive man. He went railing about in the streets about the revival; and would go out of his way to swear and blaspheme in the presence of Christians. A young Christian lived across the way from him; and he told Finney was moving out of that neighborhood, because every time Mr. D saw him he would come out and swear, and curse, and say everything he could to hurt his feelings. Actually Mr. D. knew little about Christianity and the revivals.

Father Nash got word of Mr. D’s behavior and immediately put his name on his prayer list. He remained in town a day or two, and moved on to another place God had called him. Finney remarks on what happened next; “Not many days afterward, as we were holding an evening meeting with a very crowded house, who should come in but this notorious D? His entrance created a considerable movement in the congregation. People feared that he had come in to make a disturbance. The fear and abhorrence of him had become very general among Christians, I believe; so that when he came in, some of the people got up and retired. I knew his countenance, and kept my eye upon him; I very soon became satisfied that he had not come in to oppose, and that he was in great anguish of mind. He sat and writhed upon his seat, and was very uneasy. He soon arose, and tremblingly asked me if he might say a few words. I told him that he might. He then proceeded to make one of the most heart-broken confessions that I almost ever heard. His confession seemed to cover the whole ground of his treatment of God, and of his treatment of Christians, and of the revival, and of everything good. This thoroughly broke up the fallow ground in many hearts. It was the most powerful means that could have been used, just then, to give an impetus to the work. D soon came out and professed a hope, abolished all the revelry and profanity of his barroom; and from that time, as long as I stayed there, and I know not how much longer, a prayer meeting was held in his barroom nearly every night.”

What can close a bar room and convert the hardest of sinners? REVIVAL! What can move the hand of God in days of declension? Prevailing Prayer! What weapon can God use in His hands to smite the hardest of hearts? Powerful preaching! When the compelling words of the preacher are backed by the anointing of God through prevailing prayer- men and women are converted. When the preacher is patient enough to allow the Holy Spirit time to do His work- even if it takes days or weeks- God will change lives. May we find those qualities of ministry in our lives. May we learn the virtues of being patient and staying the coarse until God moves.

NOTES:

1) AUTOBIOGRAPHY BY THE REV. CHARLES G. FINNEY, 1792-1875
2) LECTURES ON REVIVALS OF RELIGION by The Rev. CHARLES G. FINNEY; LECTURE IV: PREVAILING PRAYER
3) Daniel Nash: Prevailing Prince of Prayer J. Paul Reno Copyright 1989
4) A BIOGRAPHY OF CHARLES GRANDISON FINNEY. G. FREDERICK WRIGHT, D.D., LL.D. Professor in Oberlin Theological Seminary, OHIO 1891
5) "The Oberlin Evangelist" December 16, 1840 Lecture XXIV. SALVATION ALWAYS CONDITIONAL by the Rev. C. G. Finney Text.--1 Cor. 10:12: "Let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."


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Here are some images of Charles Finney: [url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/myalbum/viewcat.php?cid=5]Charles Finney Photos[/url]. There are still a few spots left for this seminar that start at 9:00pm EST in 3 hours.


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Here is the audio recording from the Live Seminar, it was very powerful and will challange you in your prayer life and preaching:

[b][url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=4244]Memoirs of the Revivalist with Robert Wurtz II[/url][/b] - [i] When men and women prevail in prayer to God and preach with eternity in their eyes revival often follows. What are the results of a man who preached as if He loved the Lord His God with all his heart and his neighbor as himself? Charles Finney accounts of one of his meetings, “At first they looked angry. Some of them said later that they were on the point of getting up and leaving. But I followed them up on the track of their prayers and confessions, until the leading elder burst into tears and exclaimed, "Brother Finney, it's all true!" He fell to his knees and wept aloud. This was the signal for a general breaking. Every man and woman went down on their knees.“[/i]


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Meet ASAP
Date: Thu Jul 1 20:42:52 GMT-0400 2004
Click Here for Meeting Details

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Robert Wurtz II says:
Hello brother Greg!

Greg Gordon says:
hi brother :)

Robert Wurtz II says:
Shall we test the sound?

Greg Gordon says:
sure

Greg Gordon says:
go ahed

Greg Gordon says:
yes sounds fine

Greg Gordon says:
its cutting off abit

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Greg Gordon says:
keep talking

Greg Gordon says:
yes

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
hello

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Robert Wurtz II says:
hello Bro Jimmy!

Greg Gordon says:
brother Kire

Robert Wurtz II says:
Welcome!

Robert Wurtz II says:
I hear a mic a tad bit

Greg Gordon says:
hmm from where?

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Robert Wurtz II says:
I'm not sure

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
about how long will this be 2night?

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
Hello

Greg Gordon says:
must be that king...

Robert Wurtz II says:
Probably about 45 minutes or so maybe longer

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
k

Greg Gordon says:
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2403&forum=12

Greg Gordon says:
notes are there

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
so when you gonna put up the street preachin' corner of the site greg? :)

Robert Wurtz II says:
I just turned my speakers off :)

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
jesse and i got you some messages

Greg Gordon says:
ha

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
and they are already in mp3/wav format for ya

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
why thou delayest?

Greg Gordon says:
hmmm 50 bucks a pop

Greg Gordon says:
:P

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
you are a funny little man

Greg Gordon says:
funny tall man actually

Robert Wurtz II says:
6' 6" ?

Greg Gordon says:
yes sir

Robert Wurtz II says:
Brother Greg you are only a stones throw from where much revival history resides!

Robert Wurtz II says:
Just across the lake

Greg Gordon says:
I yes I know I have to take a road trip and a digital camera

Robert Wurtz II says:
That would be fun

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
I am living in dorm, and these days the woman that is for giving rooms, said to me that no one want to lives with me and with my all sects stuffs and she should call police to get me out from the dorm, just because I am evangelical christian...

Greg Gordon says:
yea we will see if the Lord provides a car in the future

Greg Gordon says:
wow ..

Greg Gordon says:
do you need prayer for this brother?

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
to be a evangelical christian here is as much bad as cult or something satanic

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
where do you live kire?

Greg Gordon says:
macedonia!

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Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
I study in bulgaria, but I am from Macedonia, but in Macedonia is the same

Mike Balog says:
Thanks Bro

Greg Gordon says:
LOL viagra

Greg Gordon says:
yikes

Robert Wurtz II says:
Are you in Bulgaria right now?

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
yes

Robert Wurtz II says:
That would be a long road trip :)

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
I was rejoicing when these things were said to me

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
I know a sister that lives in Turkey

Greg Gordon says:
amen Kire ..!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
not too far from you

Robert Wurtz II says:
Yes!

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
1 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Robert Wurtz II says:
AMen!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
she was recently fired from her job when she was caught praying

Mike Balog says:
it said "problem: The meeting has already started. Contact the meeting organizer for assistance in joining the meeting.
thought I had my hours mixed up again...

Greg Gordon says:
wow

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
I saw the power of these words

Greg Gordon says:
yes I believe it

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
is christianity not received in bulgaria?

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Mike Balog says:
The preacher is in!

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
95% are christians, but orthodox

Mike Balog says:
Hey brother

Robert Wurtz II says:
amen!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
oh

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
and for orthodox church if you are not orthodox you are cult

Robert Wurtz II says:
Would that be Greek Orthodox?

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
same in Macedonia

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
similar like russians

Robert Wurtz II says:
I see

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
yes something like greek orthodox, its the same in russia,romanina, bulgaria, greece...

Mike Balog says:
(hey Jesse...I don't know what they are talking about either)

Jesse Morrell says:
i hear someone listening to a preacher

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
the sister I know in Turkey was very full of woe because 99% of the country is muslim, and the few christians that are there are Orthodox

Jesse Morrell says:
yea i am out of the loop

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
and she is pentecostal/charismatic

Jesse Morrell says:
who is that preaching? i can barely hear it but i like what i've heard

Robert Wurtz II says:
I heard something earlier. We may need to check all mic's

Greg Gordon says:
did you see the quote onsermonindex jesse? the new tozer one?

Jesse Morrell says:
i did

Jesse Morrell says:
compromise everywhere

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
it just so happens to be a coincidence (ha) that I know somebody who knew some missionaries that were looking to establish a church on Istanbul

Greg Gordon says:
its just radio in the background.. tisk tisk robert

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Jesse Morrell says:
hey that gives me a htought, i'mgoing to use that in my next artical

Robert Wurtz II says:
Not me

Jesse Morrell says:
now that you bring it up, it fits perfectly

Mike Balog says:
pussy cat sermons...another post

Mike Balog says:
:)

Robert Wurtz II says:
;)

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
they were just happening to plant a church in istanbul at the same time she was moving there to live with her grandparents

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
sounds like a God thing

Greg Gordon says:
Jimmy turn off your thing.?

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
turn off what thing?

Greg Gordon says:
yes

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
yes

Mike Balog says:
yes

Greg Gordon says:
ohh God no

Jesse Morrell says:
i hear chewing

Greg Gordon says:
yikes what a mistake

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Jesse Morrell says:
haha

Robert Wurtz II says:
Not me

Mike Balog says:
we could hear Benny Hinn in the background

Greg Gordon says:
it was divine I tryed to stop jimmy

Mike Balog says:
LOL

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
you could hear bill oreilly :)

Greg Gordon says:
its under control :P

Jesse Morrell says:
was that really benny hinn?

Mike Balog says:
Oh, close enough

Greg Gordon says:
LOL!!

Greg Gordon says:
Jimmy is benny hinn/

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
my friend's dad is a drummer for benny hinn

Greg Gordon says:
im confused

Mike Balog says:
Jesse . no just kidding

Jesse Morrell says:
well i heard someone listening to a preacher

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
benny hinn wouldn't preach on the streets... a gust of wind might mess up his comb over

Mike Balog says:
No kidding!

Greg Gordon says:
yes sure!

Mike Balog says:
LOL!!!!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
brb

Mike Balog says:
amen

Greg Gordon says:
notes are here: http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=3922

Mike Balog says:
thnx

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
back

Greg Gordon says:
yes great

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
amen

Jesse Morrell says:
great!

Greg Gordon says:
!!!

Jesse Morrell says:
i love that quote

Mike Balog says:
yes, the secret saint

Greg Gordon says:
amen! :)

Greg Gordon says:
yes!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
The assemblies of God has a missions program like that where for the missions program they send people into an area to pray half the day then they hand out tracts and do other service

Mike Balog says:
the prayers of a righteous man...

Greg Gordon says:
availeth much! :)

Mike Balog says:
:)

Mike Balog says:
love that!

Greg Gordon says:
woe!

Mike Balog says:
!!!

Jesse Morrell says:
what a way to go!

Greg Gordon says:
dude!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
:)

Mike Balog says:
Amen!

Greg Gordon says:
bless God

Jesse Morrell says:
he lived praying and he died praying

Greg Gordon says:
!! hehe

Mike Balog says:
no wonder's!!

Mike Balog says:
it all makes sense now!

Mike Balog says:
:)

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Greg Gordon says:
brother James

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Hello there

Greg Gordon says:
notes are here: http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=3922

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Okay thanks

Greg Gordon says:
we are at this subtitle almost: Entertained but not Converted

Greg Gordon says:
wow

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Jesse Morrell says:
thats awesome!!

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
yes!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
amen

Mike Balog says:
dust off your shoes...

Greg Gordon says:
yes big time

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
That's intimacy with God!

Greg Gordon says:
LOL!

Mike Balog says:
! Wow

Greg Gordon says:
wow

Jesse Morrell says:
maybe if he had music playing and eyes closed it wold have worked

Greg Gordon says:
woe!

Mike Balog says:
man!!

Greg Gordon says:
dude!!

Greg Gordon says:
this type of man where is he today?

Mike Balog says:
no doubt

Jesse Morrell says:
almost exstinct

Mike Balog says:
!!!!!!!!

Greg Gordon says:
amazing..

Jesse Morrell says:
praise God!

Mike Balog says:
Love it!!!

Greg Gordon says:
im staggering here

Jesse Morrell says:
sounds like whitefield

Mike Balog says:
big time....wow

Mike Balog says:
!!

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
"Many ministers in our day stop well short of such brokenness in their preaching and the results bare this out. "

Greg Gordon says:
WOW

Mike Balog says:
indeed!

Mike Balog says:
'wonderful'

Greg Gordon says:
wonderful and conviction in the same sentance

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
I love it

Mike Balog says:
yes exactely

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Mike Balog says:
OOOOO

Mike Balog says:
incredible

Greg Gordon says:
!!

Greg Gordon says:
imagine it in your church

Mike Balog says:
yeah

Greg Gordon says:
LOL!!

Mike Balog says:
!!!!

Greg Gordon says:
praise God

Mike Balog says:
wow

Mike Balog says:
amazing

Greg Gordon says:
www.rarechristianbooks.com has it

Mike Balog says:
got to have that

Mike Balog says:
thnx brother

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Yeah that looks good

Greg Gordon says:
I will post a link directly to it in the thread after the seminar

Mike Balog says:
excellent

Jesse Morrell says:
hearing about finney makes me wonder if I have ever truly met a man of God

Jesse Morrell says:
that hurts to say

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Yes...

Mike Balog says:
yikes

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
unfortunately

Mike Balog says:
sad

Greg Gordon says:
lol!

Greg Gordon says:
what a list people would fear

Greg Gordon says:
finney believed that preachers can disern physically if a person is in conviction

Greg Gordon says:
he said it was necessary to be able to do that

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
hmmm...

Mike Balog says:
praise God

Jesse Morrell says:
yes yes yes yes yes

Mike Balog says:
numbers

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Amen

Greg Gordon says:
hmm when you prayed for Sermonindex it went nasty on my end

Greg Gordon says:
:P

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
That was awsome!

Jesse Morrell says:
me also

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
me too

Mike Balog says:
wow...interesting that last part cut out the prayer

Jesse Morrell says:
that was great. God bless you

Greg Gordon says:
hey brother do you wan tto pray again for SermonIndex?

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Robert Wurtz II says:
praise God!

Jesse Morrell says:
haha

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
yes

Mike Balog says:
Did it cut out on you guys?

Jesse Morrell says:
its cutting out now also

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Itt cut on my end

Greg Gordon says:
sure cause people didnt get to agree with you

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
greg knows how to pull the strings eh?

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
yes same here

Jesse Morrell says:
amen

Mike Balog says:
AMEN!!!!!!

Greg Gordon says:
amen

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
amen

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
amen

Mike Balog says:
Thanks Robert!

Robert Wurtz II says:
God bless!!

Robert Wurtz II says:
Thanks!

Robert Wurtz II says:
Thanks for coming!

Mike Balog says:
You to brother

Greg Gordon says:
I have to say that was VERY well put together and has touched me powerfully

Mike Balog says:
Yes, Daniel nash...

Robert Wurtz II says:
Praise God!

Greg Gordon says:
I am looking forward to others being blessed to hear this seminar also

Robert Wurtz II says:
It is a compilation of materials I found

Greg Gordon says:
yes God blessed you as you put it together :)

Mike Balog says:
Outstanding...

Jesse Morrell says:
this seminar really burdened my heart and now I want to go to prayer

Greg Gordon says:
yes me too

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Mike Balog says:
amen!

Robert Wurtz II says:
I cannot take the credit- many men have labored for this info! God just helped me compile it.:)

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
It was all worth while

Mike Balog says:
Read a little about Nash....

Robert Wurtz II says:
God bless bro James!

Greg Gordon says:
Start Revival we use Lord

Mike Balog says:
Please

Greg Gordon says:
nice

Greg Gordon says:
!!

Greg Gordon says:
my God!

Greg Gordon says:
make use men of Prayer!

Mike Balog says:
My hair is standing at attention!

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
VERY powerful

Greg Gordon says:
ha

Mike Balog says:
to go through that schooling.....

Robert Wurtz II says:
Priase God and may He give us all the desire to greatly prevail in prayer!

Mike Balog says:
to become that kind of intercessor

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
amen, yes

Greg Gordon says:
wow

Greg Gordon says:
yes the book has the tombstone on the cover

Greg Gordon says:
I have read it 3 times!

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
wow

Mike Balog says:
of course, all the good books cost a lot :)

Greg Gordon says:
its very short but powerful

Greg Gordon says:
how big?

Greg Gordon says:
25-40 pages

Greg Gordon says:
at the most

Greg Gordon says:
ohhh!

Greg Gordon says:
I was reading a book on the letters of finney written after the revival lectures

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
about what book you are talking brothers, about NAsj?

Greg Gordon says:
its very powerfull and shows a more mature finney in regards to prayer

Mike Balog says:
yes Daniel Nash

Robert Wurtz II says:
The Prince of Prayer Daniel nash

Greg Gordon says:
when I am done reading it I will send it to you brother robert

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
thanks

Mike Balog says:
brb

Greg Gordon says:
*in regards to revival

Robert Wurtz II says:
That would be awesome

Greg Gordon says:
yes the stuff he says shocks me

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
I was amazed about Keith Daniels father testemony

Robert Wurtz II says:
awesome stuff!

Greg Gordon says:
yes he was sort of a authority in the excesses of revivlas

Greg Gordon says:
and speaks on it alot

Robert Wurtz II says:
Keith Daniels Father?

Greg Gordon says:
yes keith daniesl fathers testimony is really powerful!!! a MUSt hear sermon

Greg Gordon says:
yes he was a godly man..

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
yes! you should listen it

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
what a testemony!

Jesse Morrell says:
alot of these great men ha great fathers, Ravenhill, daniels, etc

Jesse Morrell says:
ha=had

Robert Wurtz II says:
I will do that Lord willing

Robert Wurtz II says:
amen

Jesse Morrell says:
i hope my kid, if i have one, will grow up to be like them

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
He is willing :)

Jesse Morrell says:
wow

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Oh wow!!!

Greg Gordon says:
WOW!!!!!!

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
:) god bless them

Jesse Morrell says:
man this up coming generation is going to be dangerous

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
ravenhill is pretty easy to quote though :)

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Thats amazig

Robert Wurtz II says:
Amen to that!

Robert Wurtz II says:
Praise God!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
he's surely the easiest preacher to quote

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
since he was very clver with one liners

Greg Gordon says:
wow praise God for your children lets pray they become mighty men

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
what kind of school ist hat

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Thats good

Jesse Morrell says:
and some say only 5 minutes a day with God is reasonable for teenagers

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
pretty interesting

Jesse Morrell says:
which one?

Jesse Morrell says:
bles God!

Jesse Morrell says:
oh yes ofcoarse

Jesse Morrell says:
haha

Greg Gordon says:
yea they fall asleep listening to you

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Jesse Morrell says:
well i only have a few more months of being a teen

Robert Wurtz II says:
:)

Greg Gordon says:
its all good

Greg Gordon says:
;p

Jesse Morrell says:
i like using my age as an advantage

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
jesse you dont have 18?

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
wow

Jesse Morrell says:
18 what?

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
years

Jesse Morrell says:
i have 19 yrs under my belt

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
!!!!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
yes

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
i just did today at the heart of charlotte

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
i am 21,5

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
well

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
!!!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
not seen any harvest yet

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
but God is moving

Jesse Morrell says:
no harvest is without seeds brother

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
www.christiansteps.com/sermons/july_1_2004_b.wav is a message i preached today

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
amen jesse

Jesse Morrell says:
did people join the meeting

Greg Gordon says:
yea play it robert

Jesse Morrell says:
?

Greg Gordon says:
so everyone can hear it for a sec

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
i also have an _a.wav file version, but it's not as good

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
www.christiansteps.com/sermons/july_1_2004_a.wav is the first one

Jesse Morrell says:
how come the mic keeps breaking up?

Jesse Morrell says:
or is it just me?

Kire(Tears_of_joy) says:
I am leaving you brothers (I think we are only brothers tonight) , Blessings to all!

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
might want to put the mic closer

Greg Gordon says:
picky picky

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Robert Wurtz II says:
I cant it is internal in the moniter sorry

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
but i do get pretty loud

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
oh

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Yeah brothers, I've gotta head out too

Robert Wurtz II says:
this is an emac

Robert Wurtz II says:
macintosh

Mike Balog says:
Take care Kire, just brothers tonight :)

Robert Wurtz II says:
Take care!

Jesse Morrell says:
good night

James Gabriel Gondai Dziya says:
Goodnight

Greg Gordon says:
see you brother

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
it was very loud out there today

Robert Wurtz II says:
is that from today/

Greg Gordon says:
yea in big cities downtown its quite loud with all the noise pollution

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
yes

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Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
this afternoon at lunch

Robert Wurtz II says:
wow!

Mike Balog says:
this Jimmy?

Greg Gordon says:
yes

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
yes, tiz me

Greg Gordon says:
the king himself

Robert Wurtz II says:
Jimmy King James

Mike Balog says:
Wow Priase God!

Robert Wurtz II says:
:)

Greg Gordon says:
he doesnt preach the law that well

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
i'm an ol hell fire preacher

Robert Wurtz II says:
That is some bold stuff!

Greg Gordon says:
but its a good start hehe

Robert Wurtz II says:
amen

Robert Wurtz II says:
I need to play this to my youth :)

Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com) says:
:)

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Meeting Owner: Greg Gordon
Current Attendees: Robert Wurtz II, Kire(Tears_of_joy), Jesse Morrell, James Gabriel Gondai Dziya, Jimmy (jimmyhumphrey@hotmail.com), Mike Balog
Entered Meeting At: 2004-7-1 8:42:52 PM
File Saved at: 2004-7-1 10:05:06 PM


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