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The Hudson Taylor
Speaker: Jesse Morrell
Date: Tuesday, June 29th
Time: 8:00 pm EST (1 hour)
Description: Christian History Magazine said "In 1854, some 380 million in the vast China interior had never seen a Westerner nor heard the name of Christ. That spring, a young Englishman landed in Shanghai determined to change that." Why is the name of Hudson Taylor still remembered today? What means did he use to spread the gospel which made him so successful? What can be learned from him today?



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I am very much looking forward to this Live event this next tuesday! You can signup now for free to access this Live Seminar that is conducted in Live Audio and you will be able to communicate with Live Text Chat. It has been a blessing to hear Jesse Morrell share his heart on other biographies of church history and this one looks to be great also. Here are some resources on J. Hudson Taylor that are on SermonIndex:
[url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=category&cid=73]Hudson Taylor Articles[/url]


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I encourage you to register for the Live Seminar tonight, it is promising to be an very encouraging look at the Life of the famous missionary to China, Hudson Taylor, he founded the China Inland Mission.

Here are some good quotes by Hudson Taylor:

“I myself, for instance, am not especially gifted, and am shy by nature, but my gracious and merciful God and Father inclined Himself to me, and when I was weak in faith He strengthened me while I was still young. He taught me in my helplessness to rest on Him, and to pray even about little things in which another might have felt able to help himself.” - James Hudson Taylor

"Do not have your concert first, and then tune your instrument afterwards. Begin the day with the Word of God and prayer, and get first of all into harmony with Him.” –James Hudson Taylor

“I have seen many men work without praying, though I have never seen any good come out of it; but I have never seen a man pray without working.” - James Hudson Taylor

“The branch of the vine does not worry, and toil, and rush here to seek for sunshine, and there to find rain. No; it rests in union and communion with the vine; and at the right time, and in the right way, is the right fruit found on it. Let us so abide in the Lord Jesus.” -James Hudson Taylor

"Do we give sufficient attention to the theme of gaining Christ? It is our joy and privilege to know Him as God's unspeakable gift, but none knew this more fully than the apostle Paul. But was he satisfied with this knowledge? Or was Paul's soul-consuming desire, at all possible cost, to gain Christ; and thus to know Him, and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings? Oh that Christ may be so known by us as a ‘living, bright reality’ that our one desire-our one absorbing heart-passion may be that we personally gain Christ-that we personally know Him as the apostle longed to do." - Hudson Taylor

"To every toiling, heavy-laden sinner, Jesus says, ‘Come to me and rest’. But there are many toiling, heavy-laden believers, too. For them this same invitation is meant. Note well the words of Jesus, if you are heavy-laden with your service, and do not mistake it. It is not, ‘Go, labor on,’ as perhaps you imagine. On the contrary, it is stop, turn back, ‘Come to me and rest.’ Never, never did Christ send a heavy laden one to work; never, never did He send a hungry one, a weary one, a sick or sorrowing one, away on any service. For such the Bible only says, ‘Come, come, come.’ – Hudson Taylor

"In Shansi I found Chinese Christians who were accustomed to spend time in fasting and prayer. They recognized that this fasting, which so many dislike, which requires faith in God, since it makes one feel weak and poorly, is really a Divinely appointed means of grace. Perhaps the greatest hindrance to our work is our own imagined strength; and in fasting we learn what poor, weak creatures we are-dependent on a meal of meat for the little strength which we are so apt to lean upon." - J. Hudson Taylor

"You must GO forward on your knees." - J. Hudson Taylor

"All God’s giants have been weak men, who did great things for God because they believed that God would be with them." - Hudson Taylor

"Since the days of Pentecost, has the whole church ever put aside every other work and waited upon Him for ten days, that the Spirit’s power might be manifested? We give too much attention to method and machinery and resources, and too little to the source of power." -Hudson Taylor

"I have found that there are three stages in every great work of God: first, it is impossible, then it is difficult, then it is done." - Hudson Taylor


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This is your last chance to register for this Live Seminar on the Life of Hudson Taylor. Register before 8:00pm EST to be a part of this event.


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Meet ASAP
Date: Tue Jun 29 19:42:18 GMT-0400 2004
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Greg Gordon says:
hey brother Jesse

Jesse Morrell says:
greetings

Greg Gordon says:
how are things going on your end brother

Jesse Morrell says:
things are grea

Jesse Morrell says:
tt

Jesse Morrell says:
but i've been battling against the flesh about sleep

Jesse Morrell says:
it seems to enjoy it

Jesse Morrell says:
how about u

Greg Gordon says:
yea sleep is something I hate also :P

Greg Gordon says:
well I like it not just tooo much of it

Jesse Morrell says:
i enjoy it, but theres so much to get done is all. i think i do have a sleepign disorder though

Greg Gordon says:
hehe that could help

Greg Gordon says:
:P

Jesse Morrell says:
i never felt i needed so much sleep until i started trying to accomplish more

Greg Gordon says:
I am looking forward to this seminar

Jesse Morrell says:
you know a bit about taylor already right?

Greg Gordon says:
I have been inspired by many of the missionaries in the China Inland mission

Greg Gordon says:
ohh yea

Greg Gordon says:
Jonathan Gorforth I know more about though

Greg Gordon says:
he was a missionary from my home church Knox Presbyterian

Greg Gordon says:
theres a plaque in our front of our church from the chinese in Mancuria china

Greg Gordon says:
thanking gorforth

Greg Gordon says:
there was mighty revivals in Mancuria china

Jesse Morrell says:
hes my favorite

Jesse Morrell says:
after reading about him i was brought to my knees saying God make me a man of God like this man was

Greg Gordon says:
do you have the book "By My Spirit" by Gorforth?

Jesse Morrell says:
i didn't know anything about him until yesturday

Jesse Morrell says:
so no

Greg Gordon says:
its out of print

Greg Gordon says:
I have aobut 4-5 copies stored up

Greg Gordon says:
I will send you one in the next batch :P

Jesse Morrell says:
o wow

Greg Gordon says:
he recited the whole book to a person because he was blind at the time

Jesse Morrell says:
thanks

Jesse Morrell says:
he would preach up to 8 hours a day

Greg Gordon says:
he was blind when he was a keswick speaker also

Greg Gordon says:
yea he took a wide margin bible and make notes all through it about the Holy Spirit (the whole bible)

Greg Gordon says:
and taught the people.

Greg Gordon says:
I would like to find that bible :P

Jesse Morrell says:
CIM really effected alot of people

Jesse Morrell says:
goforth, john abd betty stem, the cambridge 7 etc

Jesse Morrell says:
lottie moon

Greg Gordon says:
I have a recording from James Hudson Taylor III on SI

Greg Gordon says:
its his great grandson I believe

Greg Gordon says:
and hes into missions big time..

Greg Gordon says:
sounds quite the men of God also

Greg Gordon says:
I would recommend you hear it

Jesse Morrell says:
what is it on?

Greg Gordon says:
missions.

Greg Gordon says:
it was spoken at my church back in the day

Greg Gordon says:
we are a big missions church,.,. ie goforth

Jesse Morrell says:
thats really increadable that hes from your church

Greg Gordon says:
yes it startled me

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Jesse Morrell says:
when i you find out?

Greg Gordon says:
theres a picture of him and his wife up in the gorforth hall upstairs in my church

Jesse Morrell says:
when did you fin out i mean

Greg Gordon says:
quite recently

Greg Gordon says:
after I read his book

Jesse Morrell says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
!! praise God it freaked me out

Jesse Morrell says:
welcome ed

Ed Pugh says:
Hi Brother Jesse

Jesse Morrell says:
how are you tonight?

Ed Pugh says:
Pretty good brother. You?

Greg Gordon says:
pretty good thats it?

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Ed Pugh says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
we are in Christ.. if we die we are with Him!

Greg Gordon says:
he is in us!

Greg Gordon says:
sorry im done preachin.

Ed Pugh says:
Amen. Jesus is our living hope!

Jesse Morrell says:
well this is a joyful bunch

Jesse Morrell says:
:)

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
hey we are praying.. lol

Greg Gordon says:
or checking our email

Greg Gordon says:
hmm

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Ed Pugh says:
lol. One of my favorite verses is 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Ed Pugh says:
I'm old, I can't type as fast as you guys (or yous guys). lol

Greg Gordon says:
God does not begat! - koran

Greg Gordon says:
I love that verse also brother

Greg Gordon says:
Begotten of the father what a wonderful truth

Ed Pugh says:
Yes, how easy it is to forget it.

Ed Pugh says:
In the midst of "being busy."

Jesse Morrell says:
i love the simplicity of Christianity

Jesse Morrell says:
the simplicity of christian faith, divine love, etc

Ed Pugh says:
Amen, me too. Yes, Chanin's post today really convicted me.

Greg Gordon says:
:)

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Ed Pugh says:
I played that little clip from Zambia and was praying.

Greg Gordon says:
nice

Ed Pugh says:
Brother Dave...

Ed Pugh says:
Hi Brother Mike.

Jesse Morrell says:
what did channin post?

Mike Balog says:
hey guys!

Jesse Morrell says:
hey mike

Greg Gordon says:
I had a dream about bro dave

Greg Gordon says:
that I met him etc

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Ed Pugh says:
I can get it for you.

Greg Gordon says:
get what?

Jesse Morrell says:
well what was the sum of it?

Ed Pugh says:
The sum of it was that the focus of Christianity is the relationship with Christ. Sometimes we get fixated on other things that are not necessarily bad but the focus should be on Christ and Him alone.

Greg Gordon says:
thats a good sum of all things! :)

Jesse Morrell says:
lol yes

Greg Gordon says:
the sum of saving knoweldge is christ!

Ed Pugh says:
Yes, Amen.

Jesse Morrell says:
eternal life is to know him

Greg Gordon says:
to be technical "the life of Christ"

Ed Pugh says:
Yes, okay. :)

Jesse Morrell says:
how much we pray determines how much we know God

Greg Gordon says:
@@

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Jesse Morrell says:
and how much we know God determines how much we pray

Greg Gordon says:
!!

Ed Pugh says:
Interesting and true.

Mike Balog says:
Amen to that

Greg Gordon says:
true and interesting actually

Greg Gordon says:
:P

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Ed Pugh says:
lol

Jesse Morrell says:
see how simple it is though

Ed Pugh says:
Yes, we tend to make it much more complicated than it is and if we're not careful the flesh will take over.

Greg Gordon says:
thats why we kill the flesh

Greg Gordon says:
mortify the members

Greg Gordon says:
die to sin

Greg Gordon says:
either dead to sin or dead in sin

Greg Gordon says:
you choose :P

Ed Pugh says:
Very true, brother.

Ed Pugh says:
There's about 500 seats left for Brother Dave's conference in Alabama.

Greg Gordon says:
nice

Jesse Morrell says:
wilkerson?

Ed Pugh says:
Yes..

Jesse Morrell says:
i wish i could go

Mike Balog says:
different from the one in Washington I assume..

Ed Pugh says:
Yes, the one in Washington is for the youth.

Jesse Morrell says:
brb

Mike Balog says:
you are going right?

Ed Pugh says:
The one in B'ham is for leaders. Yep, I'll be there.

Mike Balog says:
cool

Ed Pugh says:
My wife is excited. She's afraid she won't understand but I told her the Holy Spirit would help her.

Greg Gordon says:
amen

Mike Balog says:
yeah,

Ed Pugh says:
English is a tough second language. At least Korean is logical!

Mike Balog says:
really?

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Greg Gordon says:
yea english is dreadful

Jesse Morrell says:
english is the hardest to learn

Mike Balog says:
now that I think about it...

Ed Pugh says:
very logical and not all the exceptions we have.

Mike Balog says:
even for the english

Greg Gordon says:
french is a walk in the park

Greg Gordon says:
but who would want to know french

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Ed Pugh says:
Oui. Oui... lol

Mike Balog says:
!!

Greg Gordon says:
lol

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Ed Pugh says:
Although I wouldn't have to wear deoderant any longer. :)

Mike Balog says:
Hey Josh

Ed Pugh says:
Welcome Josh.

Greg Gordon says:
Hi brother Josh

Mike Balog says:
hehe

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Ed Pugh says:
Welcome Josh. You're in!

Mike Balog says:
you move fast brother

Josh Olson says:
here I be

Mike Balog says:
there he is!

Josh Olson says:
What's happening?

Ed Pugh says:
Did you see all of the pictures of that Korean man that was killed in Iraq last week? He was praying in one of the pictures.

Mike Balog says:
Just getting ready

Ed Pugh says:
Hey Josh, just chatting a bit.

Mike Balog says:
Ed, no...

Jesse Morrell says:
i believe theone killedlast week was a missionary

Josh Olson says:
It did my heart good to hear that he was a brother in the Lord

Mike Balog says:
he was

Ed Pugh says:
He was planning on becoming a missionary but had a secular job at the time.

Josh Olson says:
yeah...tentmaker

Mike Balog says:
thanks for the clarification

Josh Olson says:
where's gregory?

Greg Gordon says:
I be here

Ed Pugh says:
He spoke Arabic, Korean, and English.

Jesse Morrell says:
so many christians die as martyrs

Josh Olson says:
hey hey!

Mike Balog says:
multitasking

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Josh Olson says:
:)

Mike Balog says:
"Fingers" Gordon

Greg Gordon says:
LOL

Greg Gordon says:
Flash Gordon

Greg Gordon says:
anyhow...

Mike Balog says:
!!

Ed Pugh says:
lol..

Josh Olson says:
yes?

Greg Gordon says:
ENOUGH!!!

Greg Gordon says:
this is life or death - wilkerson

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
sorry had to do that

Ed Pugh says:
lol

Jesse Morrell says:
haha

Josh Olson says:
lol

Mike Balog says:
This should be good on Hudson Taylor

Mike Balog says:
Prayed for you Jesse

Greg Gordon says:
yea it better be no pressure Jesse

Josh Olson says:
yeah, none at all...

Mike Balog says:
For unction

Jesse Morrell says:
hudson taylor? whos that?

Josh Olson says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
its hard to mess up taylors life it was an amazing one

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Ed Pugh says:
Yeah, it should be great. It's amazing what is going on in China. 20,000 new believers each week.

Jesse Morrell says:
i thought this was on tommy hilfigure

Greg Gordon says:
ha

Josh Olson says:
i'm outta here...later

Jesse Morrell says:
haha

Mike Balog says:
next week...

Josh Olson says:
you open-air guys kill me

Greg Gordon says:
Josh dont you do openair?

Josh Olson says:
lol

Josh Olson says:
yeah

Jesse Morrell says:
awesome, where?

Greg Gordon says:
(see I know Jesse would like that)

Greg Gordon says:
:P

Josh Olson says:
in Grape Day Park, between the mayor's office and city Hall

Ed Pugh says:
Where's that?

Josh Olson says:
where the street people, prostitutes, drug dealers, murders hang out

Josh Olson says:
Escondido, Ca

Jesse Morrell says:
do you get much of a stir from the people

Josh Olson says:
the enemy doesn't like it, that's for sure

Ed Pugh says:
I still remember Jed Smock from my college days.

Josh Olson says:
Yeah, prep work mostly now,

Jesse Morrell says:
i have one of his videos

Jesse Morrell says:
only disagree with about two things from it

Josh Olson says:
A guy named al knifed his girlfriend, slit her throat and punctured a lung two weeks ago...

Jesse Morrell says:
she survive?

Josh Olson says:
he was one I had been sharing with the most in the last month

Josh Olson says:
yeah

Ed Pugh says:
While you were there?

Jesse Morrell says:
i had my throat slit once

Josh Olson says:
praise report:

Josh Olson says:
As I was signing in to hook up with you guys, one of my women leaders just called me and told me that she just got ahold of Janet and is going to see her tomorrow, give her some food and she still wants to come to church in the park (our name) Saturday am

Josh Olson says:
No I wasn't there at the time, Ed

Mike Balog says:
Is this the same woman?

Josh Olson says:
yes

Josh Olson says:
sorry

Mike Balog says:
wow

Mike Balog says:
Praise God

Josh Olson says:
yep

Ed Pugh says:
Yes, praise God. Let's pray for her tonight.

Jesse Morrell says:
this mic doesn't seem to want to work

Josh Olson says:
I don't know where you guys are at, could we take a sec and let me get my 'bearings'?

Josh Olson says:
where you guys from?

Greg Gordon says:
you have to tell me first Jesse so I can give you access

Jesse Morrell says:
connecticut

Mike Balog says:
Santa Clara, Ca

Greg Gordon says:
its on

Ed Pugh says:
Washington DC (Northern Virginia)

Josh Olson says:
yep

Greg Gordon says:
yep I can hear great

Josh Olson says:
I have a dear brother in the Lord in Northern Virginia

Ed Pugh says:
Cool. What city?

Greg Gordon says:
are you still speaking Jesse? I cant hear

Greg Gordon says:
hmm

Greg Gordon says:
ok sorry :P

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Mike Balog says:
praying...

Ed Pugh says:
can hear now.

Greg Gordon says:
sure :)

Mike Balog says:
Ready here

Greg Gordon says:
yes sounds great

Mike Balog says:
yes

Ed Pugh says:
yes

Josh Olson says:
lol. can't remember now...Stephens city?

Josh Olson says:
sound familiar?

Ed Pugh says:
no

Josh Olson says:
it'll come to me

Ed Pugh says:
I'm thinking though...

Greg Gordon says:
(Jesse is doing his makeup )

Greg Gordon says:
:P

Greg Gordon says:
opps

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Mike Balog says:
111

Josh Olson says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
amen

Mike Balog says:
amen

Josh Olson says:
amen

Greg Gordon says:
AMEN

Ed Pugh says:
amen

Greg Gordon says:
wow

Mike Balog says:
O:

Greg Gordon says:
:o

Ed Pugh says:
Wow, sounds like Samuel.

Mike Balog says:
left coast style...

Josh Olson says:
i've prayed that for some of my kids

Mike Balog says:
cool

Josh Olson says:
china specifically

Ed Pugh says:
great Josh.

Mike Balog says:
!!!

Josh Olson says:
God is faithful

Josh Olson says:
same here

Mike Balog says:
awesome

Josh Olson says:
amen

Mike Balog says:
a few

Josh Olson says:
:)

Ed Pugh says:
Dumfries is a city in Virginia.

Mike Balog says:
wow

Greg Gordon says:
before: http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=318

Greg Gordon says:
after: http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=316

Ed Pugh says:
That's interesting. I wonder what it's like for most missionaries now.

Greg Gordon says:
yes

Ed Pugh says:
Most of the ones I know are very poor and very happy.

Josh Olson says:
interesting how those who have alot of financial support are the most miserable on the field

Greg Gordon says:
wow

Josh Olson says:
like ct studd

Josh Olson says:
no asking for money

Ed Pugh says:
No marketing. Total faith in Christ. Pretty awesome.

Mike Balog says:
indeed

Josh Olson says:
yes...

Josh Olson says:
mueller, too

Mike Balog says:
yep

Greg Gordon says:
meuller told of the need

Greg Gordon says:
but prayed harder:P

Josh Olson says:
many times only told Brother Craik...

Ed Pugh says:
China Missionary Alliance. Was that Brother Mueller's/

Greg Gordon says:
no

Greg Gordon says:
mueller ran 2 orphanages

Greg Gordon says:
by faith over 1000 kids

Josh Olson says:
you're thinking 'Christian missionary alliance, a.b. simpson

Ed Pugh says:
Thanks Josh.

Josh Olson says:
think he had three homes, greg

Josh Olson says:
boys, girls and infants homes

Greg Gordon says:
:)

Greg Gordon says:
hehe 'the good for nothing' churches

Josh Olson says:
plus schools, sunday schools, bible literature classes

Greg Gordon says:
wow

Ed Pugh says:
It's really needed in China. There aren't enough pastors there. We have a small Bible school there but it moves often because of the police.

Josh Olson says:
oh oh...we need to talk, Ed...

Josh Olson says:
you're involved over in China?

Ed Pugh says:
The pastors there are like the old circuit riders (except on bicycle).

Josh Olson says:
we gotta talk another time, brother

Ed Pugh says:
Not directly, we support it. I'm praying I can go to Uzbekistan next year. Sure Josh.

Josh Olson says:
cool

Josh Olson says:
openarmsinc@sbcglobal.net

Ed Pugh says:
mistered22041@yahoo.com

Greg Gordon says:
spams both emails :P

Ed Pugh says:
lol

Mike Balog says:
like that

Greg Gordon says:
yea

Mike Balog says:
excellent

Greg Gordon says:
wow

Mike Balog says:
wow

Greg Gordon says:
im taking notes mike

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Mike Balog says:
how backwards

Mike Balog says:
lol

Josh Olson says:
ha ha ha

Mike Balog says:
(front lines running the show)

Josh Olson says:
we'll forgive you, Jesse

Ed Pugh says:
Adopting the culture. I wonder how much of western mission work involves the culture, rather than Christ? That's interesting.

Greg Gordon says:
good point Ed

Josh Olson says:
yeah

Josh Olson says:
been chewing on that one Ed

Mike Balog says:
Preaching and healing!

Josh Olson says:
sounds ALOT like C. T. Studd in Africa

Greg Gordon says:
ouch

Mike Balog says:
always someone....

Ed Pugh says:
yeah, seems like that's true.

Josh Olson says:
I know a guy in Tibet right now...in the last Buddhist kingdom on earth...totally unreached people group...

Josh Olson says:
his name is Mike

Mike Balog says:
Christian?

Josh Olson says:
pray for him...his wife is really sick

Josh Olson says:
yeah

Mike Balog says:
done

Greg Gordon says:
yahoo

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Josh Olson says:
lol

Ed Pugh says:
We'll pray for him.

Greg Gordon says:
studd is the man

Ed Pugh says:
her..

Greg Gordon says:
I still like meat better than cream

Mike Balog says:
check

Greg Gordon says:
better then milk though

Josh Olson says:
thanks. God is faithful...He is friends with the king's son, I found out last night...

Ed Pugh says:
What's interesting to see is that even some Buddhist monks are now persecuting Christians. The enemy knows his time is short.

Josh Olson says:
yeah...

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
thats faith

Ed Pugh says:
amen.

Josh Olson says:
AMEN, JESSE

Mike Balog says:
no doubt

Mike Balog says:
love that

Josh Olson says:
"I have found that there are three stages in every great work of God: first, it is impossible, then it is difficult, then it is done." - Hudson Taylor

Ed Pugh says:
Amen!

Josh Olson says:
awesome

Josh Olson says:
someone shared that with me today...

Ed Pugh says:
Yeah, I saw it too. SermonIndex?

Josh Olson says:
hehehe

Greg Gordon says:
yep im guilty on both accoutns

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Josh Olson says:
greg messaged me

Ed Pugh says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
spreading the good news :P

Josh Olson says:
man, he's pushy isn't he?

Greg Gordon says:
ha

Mike Balog says:
in a nice way

Josh Olson says:
Isn't this kind of like writing notes as the pastor is teaching?

Josh Olson says:
I feel guilty

Greg Gordon says:
woe

Josh Olson says:
heavy

Ed Pugh says:
wow

Josh Olson says:
blood watering the seed of the gospel...

Josh Olson says:
look at the fruit today

Greg Gordon says:
shhh no talking when the pastor is speaking

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Josh Olson says:
lol

Ed Pugh says:
lol

Josh Olson says:
busted

Mike Balog says:
wow

Josh Olson says:
stir us up, Lord

Josh Olson says:
pray for the heathen and preach to the heathen

Josh Olson says:
Psalm 96:3

Josh Olson says:
"Declare My glory among the heathen..."

Ed Pugh says:
Isaiah 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

Josh Olson says:
where is the Hudson Taylor of today?

Josh Olson says:
amen, brother Jesse.

Ed Pugh says:
Amen brother Jesse.

Mike Balog says:
well done brother

Greg Gordon says:
amen.. praise God very stirring life

Josh Olson says:
too much

Jesse Morrell says:
tonight was more teaching then preaching

Josh Olson says:
we need it all, bro

Jesse Morrell says:
absolutely

Josh Olson says:
I got too much to say, Jess and no otime to do it...

Greg Gordon says:
lol

Josh Olson says:
lol

Greg Gordon says:
hahha

Ed Pugh says:
yes indeed, I think most of us feel we've done our part if we support a missionary or two.

Ed Pugh says:
How wrong is that/

Greg Gordon says:
very wrong

Josh Olson says:
wrong wrong wrong

Greg Gordon says:
oopss Jesse you answer that one

Greg Gordon says:
hehe

Josh Olson says:
it'd not the doing...its the being

Ed Pugh says:
Wrong it is..

Josh Olson says:
don't do your devotions...be devoted

Josh Olson says:
don't go to church...be the church

Jesse Morrell says:
we coul merely give our money to missions, or we coul give ourselves. that doesn't mean you have to be a missionary, but it means making sacrifices so you coul give more money etc

Josh Olson says:
don't do mission work...be a mission

Josh Olson says:
give it all

Jesse Morrell says:
it must never be giving what we can spare

Josh Olson says:
I read Ravenhill's tombstone today...

Jesse Morrell says:
i believe the spreading of the gospel is either our life, or we don't truly understand the gospel at all

Jesse Morrell says:
you were in garden valley?

Josh Olson says:
"Is what you are living for worth Christ dying for?

Jesse Morrell says:
i been there, right next to ketithgreen

Josh Olson says:
via internet

Jesse Morrell says:
oh

Josh Olson says:
:)

Greg Gordon says:
where?

Ed Pugh says:
True, but how do we focus on our brothers and sisters in other countries? What's the URL for that Josh?

Greg Gordon says:
gimmie gimmie

Jesse Morrell says:
i am going back to that area, i want to find mr ravenhills widow and offer to help around the house, taking out the trash once a week etc

Josh Olson says:
she's with the Lord too...hold on a sec

Greg Gordon says:
david ravenhill owns the house

Jesse Morrell says:
oh

Greg Gordon says:
I think his wife is dead also?

Greg Gordon says:
david ravenhill lives there sometimes I believe

Josh Olson says:
just search for leonard Ravenhill under images on the net

Greg Gordon says:
he is safe guarding the library

Greg Gordon says:
:P

Jesse Morrell says:
well, i'll go and find him

Josh Olson says:
gotta go take care of the kiddies, brothers. God Bless. See you on the site?

Jesse Morrell says:
take care

Josh Olson says:
email me

Ed Pugh says:
Sure, drop me a line Josh!

Josh Olson says:
openarmsinc@sbcglobal.net

Greg Gordon says:
thanks for coming brother Josh

Greg Gordon says:
yep spam is coming right away

Josh Olson says:
you bet

Ed Pugh says:
lol

Josh Olson says:
thanks spamman

Josh Olson says:
blessings

Mike Balog says:
Take care Josh

Josh Olson says:
lemme know when we do this agian

Greg Gordon says:
cya

Josh Olson says:
I want to be on the board, greg

Greg Gordon says:
its on the front page of SermonIndex

Greg Gordon says:
top right

Josh Olson says:
Thanks Jesse

Josh Olson says:
you're a blessing

Josh Olson says:
thanks for preparing

Josh Olson says:
and sharing

Josh Olson says:
later

Jesse Morrell says:
take care, thanks for coming

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Ed Pugh says:
Yes, we can learn much from the saints of old.

Greg Gordon says:
yes I belive its necessary in the day we live

Jesse Morrell says:
i absolutely love studying on men of God from history

Greg Gordon says:
we need to realize from the heights we have fallen

Jesse Morrell says:
there aren'tmany men of God left

Jesse Morrell says:
exactly greg

Greg Gordon says:
"We are paddling on the edge of the possibilities of Grace" - Leonard RAvenhill

Jesse Morrell says:
i worry what will happen after Wilkerson leaves us, who else will rise up?

Greg Gordon says:
and he says next "Put a holy dissatisfaction in us tonight"

Ed Pugh says:
true, I think we've put God in such a small box, no wonder we don't see more than what we do. It's our unbelief, I believe that's one think that has to be totally purged in us.

Greg Gordon says:
unbelief is the worst sin of our age int eh church

Greg Gordon says:
definetly

Jesse Morrell says:
i just want to see us get back to thebible

Jesse Morrell says:
wouln't that be nice?

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Entered Meeting At: 2004-6-29 7:42:18 PM
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Here is the audio recording of the Live Seminar that just occoured on the Life of Hudson Taylor:

[b][url=http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=4241]Hudson Taylor with Jesse Morrell[/url][/b] - [i]Christian History Magazine said "In 1854, some 380 million in the vast China interior had never seen a Westerner nor heard the name of Christ. That spring, a young Englishman landed in Shanghai determined to change that." Why is the name of Hudson Taylor still remembered today? What means did he use to spread the gospel which made him so successful? What can be learned from him today?[/i]


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Here are the speakers seminar notes for reference:

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In the beginning
-1832 James Taylor and Maria Taylor, Yorkshire England, prayed “Dear God, If you should give us a son, grant that he may work for you in china.
-Hudson Taylor born May 21, 1832
-Born into a Methodist family
-Hudson wanted to be a china missionary without knowledge of his parent’s prayers.
-Converted at age 17, after rebellious season. 50 miles away from home mother locked her self up for prayer and determined not to leave until her son was saved. Praying like that gets God’s attention.
-Saved by a tract about the finished work of Christ and said he accepted “this Savior and this salvation.”

First trip to China
- During night of intense prayer his call to china was confirmed. He was a man of prayer, plenty of men preach, not many men pray.
-Next few years spent fervently studying language, medicine, and the bible.
-Age 21, Monday Sep 19th, 1853. A three massed clipper “Dumfries” weighing less then 500 tons, took Taylor to China. He had faith that worked, and working faith, because faith without works is dead.
-Terrible storm, convinced they would die, trusted God, content to die trying to obey God.
-Arrive Shanghai March 1854
-Worked for Chinese Evangelization Society started by Karl Gutzlaff
-Same year, clothing and hair Chinese. He was ahead of his time. Like hair Krishna’s in America.
-Taylor saw missionaries living in luxury and thought they were worldly. K P Yohannas Book same thing.
-Less pay then everyone else. Most $700 a year not including rent, he received $80 including rent.
-Dec. 1854, with Joseph Edkins, sailed with bibles and tracts to people on Huangpu River. Crowds drew, mobs threatened, escaped by hopping a boat.

Left CES
-1857 Taylor resigned from C.E.S. after much prayer, finding it insufficient.
-Trusted God for finances, no asking for donations or even letting friends/family know situation.
-Married Jan 1858 Maria Dyer, 20yrs old. Same heart beat for China.
-By March 1860, his church and Ningpo had 21 members.

Return to England
-1861 caught a disease, went back to England to recover.
-at home translated bible and recruited missionaries.
-Frustrated with other Christians in 1865 “Can all the Christians of England sit still with folded arms while these multitudes (in china) are perishing-perishing for lack of knowledge, for lack of that knowledge which England possesses so richly, which has made England what England is and made us what we are? What does the Master teach us? Is it not that if one sheep out of a hundred be lost, we are to leave the ninety nine to seek one? But here the proportions are almost reversed, and we stay at home with the one sheep, and take no heed to the ninety and nine perishing ones!” Because our hearts do not burn within us, souls burn in hell. Some say their church doesn’t witness, well I know the name of their church. It must be the “good for nothing” church. I didn’t say it, Jesus said it.

Vision for new organization
-Mission Organizations were confined to only 5 treaty ports. Hudson realized a new organization was needed to evangelize the rest of China. Wanted 24 missionaries, 2 for reach of the eleven inland provinces of China that were without a missionary, and two for Mongolia. At the time there were only total of 90 Protestant missionaries in China. Hudson planned on increasing that over 25% himself.
-Started China Inland Mission with 5 missionaries, hesitant and fearful. He could not sleep more then 2 hours in 1865.
-Friend concerned for his health invited him to a weekend break in Brighton. Hudson slipped out after worship because he could not bear the site of seeing a congregation of a thousand or more rejoicing in their security while china goes to hell. One walk on beach he found peace and comfort.
-China Inland Missions distinct features were:
1) Not any specific denomination
2) No set salary/ no debt
3) No appeals for funds
4) Directed by leaders on frontlines, not home committees.
5) Go into the interior of China
6) Chinese clothing/ adopt culture.

Back to China
-Within one year, Hudson’s family, 16 missionaries, leave London for China to join 2 other missionaries already laboring in China for CIM.
- Town’s of Hangchow (Hangzhou) and Hsiaosha (Xiaoshan) worked in medical care and treatment and preaching.
-1867 missionary John Mc Carthy from Dublin describes the scene when he arrived. It was a Chinese New Year; a crowd was outside the CIM Clinic, venders selling, Taylor preaching open air on a table to the people.
-200 patients daily.
- Mat Usiu, converted at Ningpo, also preached as people waiting medical treatment.

Some trouble.
- Lewis Nicol, a CIM missionary, complained about the way things were run and even spread lies. Preferred English clothing for respect and protection. Hudson hesitant of his release, but did so and 3 others left with him.
-Some from other society complained that Hudson had single men and women living together. Hudson and Maria kissed others on forehead before bed. Some loss of support back in London.
-1870 Baptist Welshmen Timothy Richards won over CIM members. Said you could use similarities from Buddhism and Confucianism to influence china to Christ. Very liberal. CIM suffered.

Still going forth
-CIM still grew. 1876, 18 new missionaries set sail for China, totally 52 missionaries for CIM.
-Expanded to reach areas such as Honan (Henan), Shens (Shaanxi), Kansu (Gansu), Hunan, Kweichow (Guizhou) and at least one reached Tibet.
-Despite more criticism, began sending unmarried women into the interior.
-1881 prayed for another 70 missionaries, by 1884 had 76.
-1882 had 56 wives, and 95 single missionaries
-1885 the Cambridge Seven joins. C. T. Stud the famous captain of Cambridge Cricket team. Studd also inherited several million dollars which he used to help support Moody Bible Institude and the for Salvation Army missionaries to come to china. Also famous Stanley Smith, captain of Cambridge rowing team who had a soap box in Hyde park where he preached open-air what he called “not the milk and water of religion, but the cream of the gospel.”
-1886 praying for another 100 missionaries. A prayer without faith is a prayer that will go unanswered. The only answered prayer is a faithful prayer.
-Veteran missionary said “I am delighted to hear that you are praying for large reinforcements. You will not get a hundred, of course, with the year, but you will get many more than if you did not ask for them.” Hudson said “Thank you for your interest, we have the joy of knowing our prayers answered now. And I feel sure that, if spared, you will share the joy or welcoming the last of the hundred to China!”
By Nov. 1887, 102 candidates accepted and had enough money for their passage to China.
-Grew to be the largest organization in China and had influences in all 18 provinces of China.
“I have found that there are three stages in every great work of God: first it is impossible, then it is difficult, then it is done.” H. Taylor




More Trouble temperature rising
-Riot had CIM house attached, family injured and other missionaries hurt. London debated on whether or not these missionaries were good for British trade.
-Rivalry between counsels caused 30 missionaries to resign. Hudson wanted those near to the frontlines to have executive power.

Still being strong
- Taylor said “China is not to be won for Christ by quite, ease loving men and women…. The stamp men and women we need is such as will put Jesus, China, souls, first and foremost in everything and at every time- even life itself must be secondary.”
- He was a strong man. Despite poor healthy and depressions he labored. His depression, which is a spiritual battle, was at times so severe that he wanted to die. The job was so enormous, but God is still bigger.
Nearly had a complete physical and mental break down in 1890 during speaking tour in the United States.
-His wife died at age 33. 8 of his children died before reaching age 10.
- 1900, Taylor was in Switzerland when the Boxer Rebellion Spread through China. 58 Missionaries and 21 children killed.

Others catch on
-by the end of his life, those who once scoffed at his methods were adopted them.
-After Taylor’s death- young Chinese Evangelist looked upon the body and said “dear and venerable Pastor, we too are your little children. You opened for us the road to heaven. We do not want to bring you back, but we will follow you.”

Lessons to learn: Faith and trust, courage and bravery, pressing forward, perseverance, compassion, not to settle for second best.


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