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How does the fact that the 14th of Nisan in 33AD was on a Friday figure in?
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/index.html?year=33&country=34

This is an interesting discussion (one that seems to come up each year here. :-)). But what bothers me is how disconnected 'Easter' is from Passover now. We Christians celebrate 'Easter' (I put it in quotations because the root word is Pascha which is passover) on March 23, 2008, but Passover isn't until April 19th (the 14th of Nisan on the Jewish calendar).

Does that bother anyone else? I've done [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter#Easter_controversy]some research[/url] into the controversy of this topic that was in the early church and how the Council of Nicea determined that the Bishop of Alexandria would determine the date of Easter in accordance to these rules:

[i]that Easter must be celebrated by all throughout the world on the same Sunday;

that this Sunday must follow the fourteenth day of the paschal moon;

that the moon was to be accounted the paschal moon whose fourteenth day followed the vernal equinox;

that some provision should be made, probably by the Church of Alexandria as best skilled in astronomical calculations, for determining the proper date of Easter and communicating it to the rest of the world. [/i]


If we don't follow the Jewish calendar are we really celebrating 'Easter' at the same time that Jesus arose from the dead? Or are we just following church traditions? I don't understand the calendar system well enough to comprehend all this. Could someone help me out?

:-o

And shouldn't every Sunday be a celebration of His resurrection?;-) Hallelujah! JESUS is risen! :-D

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Hey y'all... if I seem a bit abrupt on this thread, I do apologize. Havent been feeling well this week. Thats no excuse tho for being short w/ folks.

Forgive me, please.

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 2008/3/19 16:42
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We love you
Krispy and are remembering why you might be alittle out of sorts..prayers going forth for your recovery! I though it was an interesting..and fun subject to discuss. Thanks for posting it.


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I'll have to make a phone call because you guys got me curious.
I was at a bible study at a church I used to go to for a short time and he gave out a jewish perpetual calendar. and it showed when the feasts and things would fall during the time of Christ and we talked about easter and discovered that Jesus was probably crusified on a wednesday.

Now im gonna have to check.


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Ok, now I'm more confused than ever!

It is an interesting point that Ronyia made. We obviously following the pagan date of celebration rather than the Jewish time which was passover. And passover is the same time each year or is it not?

I had heard teaching before that Christ our passover lamb was sacrificed on the day of passover at the time the pasover lambs were sacrified, which is nice if its right isnt it. Would that have been the thursday or the friday though? And im still confused about the three nights and three days and our Lord rising on the third day and how it all works. But i am interested to find out, and i do thank you Kripsy for starting this thread. Whether we get to the bottom of the details or not (and i would like to), im sure glad He rose!


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Krispy and are remembering why you might be alittle out of sorts..prayers going forth for your recovery! I though it was an interesting..and fun subject to discuss. Thanks for posting it.



Yea, I'm having that procedure done this afternoon. I'm not bothered by that, it's this dog gone cold I have. Starting to perk up a little today tho... and I'll be on pain killers for the next day or so, so I wont care a hoot about this cold in a few hours! lol

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If Jesus died on Wednesday, well; wouldn't three days and three nights from Wednesday be Saturday-the 7th Day Sabbath, making Saturday the day that Jesus would have been risen from the dead.



Good question. The answer is that the [b]Jewish day begins at 6pm.[/b] So today is Wednesday, and Thrusday will begin at 6pm this evening.

Jesus was placed in the grave before the Sabbath (Feast of Unleavened Bread) began, which would be before 6pm of what we would call Wednesday evening.

He arose from the grave sometime[b] after 6pm Saturday evening, which would be Sunday[/b]... which the Jews observed as "the first day of the week".

Three days and three nights.

Krispy



That leads me back to my original statement then. If a Jewish Day beings at 6:00pm-and the "..first day of the week" is Sunday, well technically it would still be Saturday EVENING OUR time that Jesus would have been risen that we need to begin observing our celebration.

What I mean is, this, this Sunday all over the US people will be celebrating "Easter" or "resurrection sunday"...but the truth is, if we want to really observe it as the Jews did, then we need to observe our " Saturday EVENING" (which is their Sunday morning, INSTEAD of our Sunday morning)

Do you understand what I mean?



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 Re: If you celebrate Good Friday... You're too late!


Hi all,

Roniya quoted

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[i]that the moon was to be accounted the paschal moon whose fourteenth day followed the vernal equinox;[/i]

Glad you brought that point to the fore. According to Katy-did, the Ark came to rest on 17th Nisan, the same day Jesus rose from the dead.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar#Difference_between_Gregorian_and_Julian_calendar_dates]wikipedia on days lost between Gregorian and Julian calendars[/url]


Looking at a modern Hebrew calendar, it is clear that the connection between the moons has been lost, in that some months are 30 days long. Also, there is one called Tamuz, which cannot be its original name.

[url=http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=0001&v=1&month=x&yt=G&nh=on&s=on&i=off&vis=on&D=on&d=on&set=on&c=off&geo=zip&zip=&m=0&.cgifields=nx&.cgifields=nh&.s=Get+Calendar]Hebrew calendar set for year 0001[/url]


I've always wanted to understand the Hebrew calendar better, because I knew there was something about an extra year every so often. Here's wikipedia again.

[i]'The principles of the Hebrew calendar are found in the Torah, which contains several calendar-related commandments, including God's commandment during the Exodus from Egypt to fix the month of Nisan as the first month of the year.[1] The Babylonian exile in the 6th century BCE influenced the calendar, which included the adoption of Babylonian names for the months.[2]

Before the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, the calendar was observational, with the beginning of each month determined by the testimony of witnesses who had observed a new crescent moon. Between 70 and 1178 CE a rule-based fixed-arithmetic lunisolar calendar system was adopted to achieve the same effect. The principles and rules of the current calendar were fully described by Maimonides in 1178 CE in the Mishneh Torah.

Because of the roughly eleven-day difference between twelve lunar months and one solar year, the year lengths of the Hebrew calendar vary in a repeating 19-year Metonic cycle of 235 lunar months, with an intercalary lunar month added every two or three years, for a total of 7 times per 19 years. Seasonal references in the Hebrew calendar reflect its development in the region east of the Mediterranean Sea and the times and climate of the Northern Hemisphere. With respect to the present-day mean solar year, the Hebrew calendar's year is longer by about 6 minutes and 25+25/57 seconds, meaning that every 224 years, the Hebrew calendar will fall a full day behind the modern fixed solar year, and about every 231 years it will fall a full day behind the Gregorian calendar year. This is due to the 0.6 second discrepancy between the calendric "Molad" (lunar conjunction interval), which is fixed by Jewish Law,[3] and the actual mean lunar conjunction interval, which itself is slowly changing over time.[4]'[/i]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar]Hebrew Calendar (wiki)[/url]


The other thing to remember about the year in which Jesus was crucified, is that it was a [b]Jubilee Year[/b], that is, a 50th year after 7 sets of seven years, on the seventh of each set being the year in which slaves would go free if they wanted to, or have their ear pierced against the doorpost, to signify 'I love (I love) my Master, I will not go out free', (which is the subject line of a challenging hymn, now).

Thus, the fiftieth year was particularly significant as a double-portion of freedom, and because it was an extra year off work, when the fields were not cultivated (I believe), people ate off 'the fat of the land'.

Hereby, we see how the spiritual picture had been established in Jewish culture. Jesus was seen after His resurrection for forty days, and Pentecost was on the fiftieth day (I believe).

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Going back to His death: if it is reckoned to have been a Wednesday, then He was laid in His tomb on Thursday*; Friday was the first day (after His burial), in the tomb; Saturday was the second day in the tomb; the third day when He arose, was Sunday.


If you think about this based on John's account, it is clear some hours must have passed between Him being on the cross, and finally laid* in His tomb. (It is a wonderful picture - Him being laid to rest in Joseph's tomb - as it were, taking the place of a natural man in his own death.)

John 19
35 And he that saw [i]it[/i] bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, 'A bone of him shall not be broken'.
37 And again another scripture saith, 'They shall look on him whom they pierced'.

38 And [u]after this[/u] Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, [u]besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus[/u]: and Pilate gave [i]him[/i] leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

[I wonder how long it took him to get from Golgotha to Pilate's palace, wait to be given a hearing, and back again?]

39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [i]weight[/i].
40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation [i]day[/i]; [u]for the sepulchre was nigh at hand[/u].


I believe it must have been Thursday, by now; ie after 6pm on Wednesday.


Another thought is: this service by Joseph and Nicodemus, to prepare Jesus' body for burial, would have made them both ceremonially unclean, and subject to certain ritual cleansing, before being able to join the feasting (although this is not mentioned). Interesting comparason with Jesus first miracle, when He changed water for washing [i]people[/i] (outwardly), into wine, the symbol of His blood, shed for our inward cleansing.

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 Re: If you celebrate Good Friday... You're too late!



Beloved brothers and sisters, I've just noticed something I cannot remember ever having heard preached upon. Look at this, please:

Genesis 8
20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD;
and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl,
and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour;
and the LORD said in his heart,
[b]I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake;[/b]
for the imagination of man's heart [i]is[/i] evil from his youth;
[b]neither will I again smite any more every thing living[/b], as I have done.
22 [u]While the earth remaineth[/u], seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.


Okay.... so what I hadn't noticed, is that the flood did away with the curse on the earth which God had said to Adam.

The flood did not do away with the death which passed upon all men through Adam, but it [i]did[/i] do away with the curse on the earth.

This makes more sense of John's baptism unto repentance than I have ever seen before, as a standalone spiritual transaction between God and man.

(We know the disciples baptised in the name of Jesus, also for repentance, but the separation between repentance as man's recognition of his sinfulness, and the remaining need for a sacrifice for sin, is clearly made by this word from God to Noah. The fact that God wiped out every living thing which was not in the Ark (foreshadowing Jesus Christ Himself), underlines the picture in baptism [i]after[/i] Jesus death and resurrection for the signifying of our identification with His death in its spiritual significance, although we retain our natural life, and still have to overcome it in the power of the Spirit.)

 2008/3/20 11:29





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