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 How would your co-workers describe you?

I would like each of us to take a few minutes to look at our lives. The question is, are you known by the world for what you stand for or for what you will not stand for?

Do you have a whole list of things that you object to? Is that what you are known for? Your strong stance on abortion, your insistence upon the 10 Commandments being allowed to stay in the public domain, your objections to the Homosexual agenda, your dislike and distrust of Liberals or Democrats, your dislike of present day immorality?

If the world could comment on you, would it be that you are strong on all these points? Is that what your co-workers, friends and family know about you, that you stand against all of these social and moral issues? Do you count yourself as one who lives under Gods law and is guided by it?

Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

If you know the 10 Commandments, you will know that what Jesus just said is not the first and second commandments of the "Decalogue," or the ten commandments.
So let me ask you, are you under the Law, do you "live by the Law?" Romans 5:20 states that "Moreover the Law entered that the offense might abound." So we see that purpose of the Law was to expose sin, to magnify it, to point us towards Jesus , so that when Jesus came, He fulfilled the Law.

So, if the Law brings condemnation, how can we live by it or be under it? If Jesus did not come to condemn but to seek and to save what is lost, then why do we , as Christians, spend so much our time trying to expose the sin of the world, were we called to that? When we stand up and are counted today, when we let the world know, in no uncertain terms what we will not stand for, is this the role we were called to?

Are we called to be the ten commandments to the world? If the Law exposes and magnifies sin, if sin takes advantage of the Law and magnifies itself, then should we promote the Law to the world? Or should we endevor to seek and to save the lost.

When we love the world, when we seek to be an advocate of mercy, then as a by-product their sin is exposed by themselves. When sin encounters love it is defeated, when sin encounters judgment it is increased. By the very rebellious nature of humanity, when it is told not to do something or that it should not do something, then that is exactly what it wants to do all the more, anyone with children will easily appreciate this principal.

So we see how dangerous the rise of self-righteousness would be because of this principal, then society would suffer even more sin as it is condemned. So those who seek to condemn the world and expose the worlds sin are not operating in the "Royal Law," the law of Jesus ,for He called us to love God with all of our hearts and love the world with the same love.

My oldest son is now 24.And, to say the least, was a rebellious child for the better part of ten years. He has caused his mother and I great heartache and grief over those years, not to mention anger. Looking back I see three landmarks from the Lord, instructions to me. The first was when Christopher was about sixteen.

The Lord asked me this question and never answered the question “What would have happened if the prodigal father had not allowed the prodigal son to leave?” The next instruction came when he was about eighteen after a few years of me telling my son exactly what he was, and what his actions would bring about(and every one of my “predictions,” came to pass) The Lord commanded me to stop telling Christopher how wrong he was and how bad his actions were, He summed it up by saying this to me “Speak life into your son.”

Then a couple of years ago He laid it on my heart to apologize to Christopher for the way I raised him. I smarted at this instruction , my argument to the Lord was “but Lord,” reminding the Lord of all the things Christopher had done wrong, but the Lord remained silent and the Holy Spirit continued to lay on my heart to apologize to him. As I looked over my fatherhood, I realized that if I had to defend myself that I could make a compelling argument to anyone, what I could not defend was the contempt that I had had for my son.

I had not been very Christ like towards him. Yes, I had stood upon the rules, but where had the mercy been? Do not get me wrong, Christopher saw moments of mercy(otherwise he would not have survived to tell the story:) but the overall context of my relationship with Christopher was one of conflict and contempt.

Then I read about a Christian man in a book. He talked about apologizing to his son for the mistakes he had made. He talked about how that if he did not apologize, he would be binding his son, imprisoning his son to his own sin. I had never thought about it that way. As I realized that I could be playing a part in my own sons captivity, then there was now no question, I would have to apologize. I found this tremendously difficult to even contemplate.

I shared with a brother what I was contemplating one Monday evening. I asked him to ask me the following week if I had followed through, creating accountability for myself. Well the following week turned out to be the week from hell. There was a spiritual battle going on and by the following Sunday I still had not apologized. At 9.20 on Sunday evening I took my son aside and asked him to sit down.

I told him that I was deeply sorry for the way I had raised him and asked for his forgiveness. Before I could even finish what I was saying he interrupted me and told me how good a father I had been and that it was him that had caused the trouble and the anger. This was the first time in my sons life that he had taken responsibility for his actions. These are the words that I had tried to make him say for ten years with angry accusations and telling him the “truth." And here it all came out because the Lord had humbled me and had made me look at my role, not his.

In the following weeks my son started making lists of things he had to get done and getting them done, a remarkable turnaround. We have spoken on the phone, just to speak, not because he was in trouble, or needed bailing out or needed money. This principal of humility , of love, of focusing on ourselves rather than on the sins of others is of course a powerful principal of Christianity.

Many Christians understand this principal and it is operating in their homes. Yet how does it convey itself to the world. In an obvious paraphrase of my own, Jesus says “So you love those who love you ?, Big deal, even the sinners do this, but how much do you love those who hate you and would treat you badly?”

So many Christians believe , rightly, that we are Justified, saved, by Grace through faith. But so many Christians believe that we are sanctified (set apart, made Holy) by keeping the rules, following the Ten Commandments, by what we do not do. Paul says in Galatians 3

“ O foolish Galatians, who bewitched you not to obey the truth, to whom before your eyes Jesus Christ was written among you crucified?
Gal 3:2 This only I would learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, do you now perfect yourself in the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Did you suffer so many things in vain, if indeed it is even in vain?

If indeed our own Christianity is not measured by how well we keep the Ten Commandments, and it is not measured by what we do not do, if indeed it is measured by our love for the world (Homosexuals, people who agree with abortion, Democrats, Liberals , the vilest sinners ect) then how do you measure up?

Do you stand up and condemn the world, tell it how bad it is, shrink from it, fear it , demonize it for political advantage, have bitterness towards it. If Love for the world was a crime, would there be enough evidence to convict you? Do you throw your lot in with those who hate and fear the world, with those who use their position to condemn the world ? Do you find yourself on the Pharisee side with rocks in your hands? As the world looks on, does it see you as part of a baying crowd ready to condemn and destroy?

So I ask you brothers and sisters, does your Christianity consist of the fact that you “are not like them.” When you stand up to be counted in the world, the workplace, are you standing up for love, is that how they know you? Or do they know you by the rocks in your hands ? Are you a part of the Pharisee crowd or the lonely Jesus? Will Jesus have to ask you the question “Are you without sin?” Before we throw our rocks at the world (urged on by politicians seeking re-election) let us look to ourselves so that we may humble ourselves and not have to be humbled by a loving God………………………………......Frank

http://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com

 2008/3/15 21:01
MattChenier
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 Re: How would your co-workers describe you?

Many of these things are points that I agree we should consider more often. I myself have often been guilty of these very things. I think also that this is not a small matter. As it may very well be the difference between our evangelism making a positive or negative difference.


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 2008/3/16 3:07Profile
repentcanada
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Have you ever listened to "Hell's Best Kept Secret" by Ray Comfort? It is found to your immediate left (on this very page) and you can listen to it or watch it. Some of this article is biblically incorrect.

 2008/3/16 10:32Profile
repentcanada
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Actually, If I can, I would recommend every on Sermon Index to listen to Mark Cahill's "Being a Light in A Dark World" - http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=439. I know most of you will ignore this, but maybe a few will take the time to be enouraged by this message.

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Repentcanada write "Some of this article is biblical incorrect." Of course, I would beg to differ:)...............Frank


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 2008/3/16 16:25
repentcanada
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this is not truth,

"So, if the Law brings condemnation, how can we live by it or be under it? If Jesus did not come to condemn but to seek and to save what is lost, then why do we , as Christians, spend so much our time trying to expose the sin of the world, were we called to that? When we stand up and are counted today, when we let the world know, in no uncertain terms what we will not stand for, is this the role we were called to?"


Romans says how they they hear without a preacher. The Law of the LORD is perfect converting the soul. The Holy Spirit does a work on ones heart when they are shown their need of a Saviour when their exceedingly wicked, sinful heart is shown to them through the CORRECT use of God's Ten Commandments.

Brother Frank have you listened to Hell's Best Kept Secret or Cahill's "Being a Light in a Dark World"?

 2008/3/16 19:28Profile









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Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:11-12 (KJV)
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Romans 10:13-14 (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Romans 10:15 (KJV)
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

The Scripture that you quoted my friend has nothing to do with the 10 commandments, other that to confirm that Jesus was the end of the Law. (and thats a whole other debate)

Can I ask a question, the lady that was thrown down at the Lords feet, what saved her? Did the Law save her? Surely the Law was about to act, with rocks? Or, did the proximity of Jesus save her? At Jesus'feet she did not find condemnation, although I guarantee you that she felt intense conviction. This is the message that we bring, that if you come to Him, despite the fact that you are sinners, just as you are, then you can be saved. This is a beautiful loved filled, truth filled message. So different from the message that your all gonna burn in hell if you do not come forward and get your fire insurance. I will grant you this, that in the presence of Jesus , through the Holy Spirit, conviction can be great and overwhelming. You see, its always about the Spirit, and it is always about love, and when you combine truth with Love you have the power of the Holy Spirit. ........Frank http://scottishwarriors.wordpress.com

 2008/3/16 20:36
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Brother, I plead with you to listen to those sermons listed. I really do.

 2008/3/16 21:47Profile









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Brother, if it is not sister. I appreciate your passion for those from whom you receive teaching, but what does the Holy Spirit tell you when you sit at His feet? I do not say this to cast any doubt upon these men that you say I should listen to, and indeed I have no problem listening to them. Yet why would what they say be any more convincing to me that what you say?

Can I say that I have heard a thousand sermons and been moved by a great many of them. This continent does not need more learned men, it needs more men who spend time with the Holy Spirit , who indeed will lead and guide all men into Truth.

This is a time of personalities, that time is coming to an end. Let men and woman come into the presence of the Lord themsleves and be taught by Him. One minute in His presence, one Scripture illuminated in the hearts of men and woman directly by the Holy Spirit, is worth a lifetime of sermons and tapes. God bless you brother or sister, He stands at the door and knocks............Frank

 2008/3/16 23:22
MattChenier
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I do agree with repentcanada on the parts he is arguing. The bible says in Ephesians that "whatsoever is reproved is brought to the light, for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. To reprove basically means to bring to the surface, or light. The bible says we are supposed to be the light of the world. How can we be light if we don't reprove sin. This doesn't however mean judge and condemn people. The difference in America is that the average person knows what is wrong, they just don't obey it. So cramming the 10 commandments down their throat after they already feel guilty is only going to harden them.

The bible also says not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. And, the book of Jude says, "and of some have compassion making a difference, and others save by fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." So even fear is a proper tool for converting souls, as long as it is done in love.

I must say on the lines of Ray Comforts style of evangelism. He does well. But lets sum up the 10 commandments... Love. Ok. So setting the perfect example of loving god and others will bring conviction of not only the ten commandments, but all the law and all the prophets which hang on these two commandments. So Love is perfect converting the soul. Amen?

My former pastor was really big on balance in Christianity. I think that there is a perfect balance to this dispute.


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