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repentcanada
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this is very scary. How long until we lose all our "freedoms" as Christians in the western world??

 2008/3/7 21:45Profile









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Compliments wrote:

I like the idea of Home Schooling, but I have to agree with the state of *California that a teacher should have credentials to teach children, whether it be in a Christian or Secular setting. Children deserve an education that will be able to take their credits and apply them to a College or University.




Umm, that is being done right now without parents having teaching degrees/credentials. I have friends that have used their credits from homeschooling and obtained their degrees while saving a ton of money and time at the same time.

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I went to a secular school, I turned out all right.



I was homeschooled all twelve grades and my parents didn't have any teaching credentials, and I turned out all right...I think. :roll:

The question is, that Josh brought up, whose responsibility is it to teach children and moderate the influences that come into their lives? Is it the government or the parents? Who do the children belong to?

This is a very scary thing happening in California, but I know one thing, the homeschoolers in that state aren't going to release their rights passively! We cannot afford to let activist judges step out of their roles and make laws on this issue like they did with prayer in the schools back in the 1960s! Especially in light of the propaganda that is being pushed in California schools!

 2008/3/7 22:07
Compton
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This whole affair is just another example of the tyranny of liberalism. It's typcial socialism: a few self-appointed autocrats collect all the farms under the guise of wanting to feed the people. Then once they control the supply, they use their control not to feed people, but to make them servile tools of the state.

The irony here is that California's education is an embarrasment...what in the world would cause those who have failed at education think they could instruct those who have their act together? The state of California should be asking homeschoolers for instruction on how to educate children.

MC


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 2008/3/8 0:30Profile
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 Re: Liberal judges rule CA homeschools illegal...

Wow. And to think these things are normal largely elsewhere in the world.

 2008/3/8 1:11Profile









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Are there no Christian schools that children can be sent to?



There may be, but it costs a lot of money to send your kid to a private school. (Christian or Secular)

My wife and I never thought of home schooling our children until this year, and now we don't know why we were ever against it. My primary issue with our public schools is the length of time it takes educate our kids. Why do they need to be at school for 6- 8 hours a day? Why do they need to go to school for 9 months? We started home schooling ( Pa cyber school) my daughter at the beginning of 08', and she is now finished with the 2nd grade and has started the 3rd grade. I work at a private school for disadvantaged kids, and I see that much of the time is wasted during the day. There is not much learning going on when you have 20-30 kids in a classroom. Quality not quantity....that's what I want. Honestly folks, teaching is not that difficult. It starts with a desire to learn in both the teacher and the student. I have a wonderful old book; "The Seven Laws of Teaching", I wish every teacher in America would read this simple book.




 2008/3/8 8:19
ccchhhrrriiisss
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Hi Compliments...

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I like the idea of Home Schooling, but I have to agree with the state of *California that a teacher should have credentials to teach children, whether it be in a Christian or Secular setting. Children deserve an education that will be able to take their credits and apply them to a College or University.

I was not educated in a homeschool, but I have met quite a few bright children who have been. During one of my graduate classes in Public Policy and Administration, we saw some statistics that showed that homeschooled children often score the highest on their standardized tests (including college entrance exams). So I guess that homeschooling wouldn't necessarily be a problem. Besides, I believe that most homeschool curriculum is self-paced and learner centric. This places the responsibility of learning squarely in the lap of a student. If a student is motivated to learn (and has parents who are willing and able administrators), it can be a great educational environment.

Besides, I also agree with the comments that the government is not supposed to be "BIG BROTHER" in every aspect of our lives. If they want to force California teaching certification on parents and children, then where will the extent of government involvement end?

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Besides, I also agree with the comments that the government is not supposed to be "BIG BROTHER" in every aspect of our lives. If they want to force California teaching certification on parents and children, then where will the extent of government involvement end?



We live in a small village, and find it possible, thus far, to send our children to public school. We monitor our schools closely, but we have no reason to treat them as the enemy. These judges would change all of that. Part of what makes it possible for to trust our small town system, is the leverage to critique them afforded to us by the right and power to homeschool.

Once the state has a monopoly over your children, the constitution of the United States will have already fallen without a shot fired. These monarchial types never seem to learn how they fuel revolution with their presumption...

At the end of the day, these foolhardy laws won't stop Christians from doing what is right for their families. It may very well be that widespread persecution in America does not come as a frontal assault through the front door of the Church as in China, but sideaways in a flanking assault on her vital liberties.

MC


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 2008/3/8 13:13Profile









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I believe that most homeschool curriculum is self-paced and learner centric.

In our home setting growing up, going to school was considered to be a luxury that meant getting out of the house and away from our father, it was a dread coming home. I remember a friend of mine who was homeschooling her children which she pulled out of secular school. The way she had things set up was chaotic. Screaming at the children etc and books and papers were all over the place, she'd spent hours looking for things plus doing house work on top of that. I thought that maybe she should have left them in school. The other 3 that went to secular school did well and one is even gone to bible college with her husband.

I know that I couldn't handle homeschooling, I couldn't teach if I was paid. But I do like the Christian Academy concept and we have one in our city that is great.

Roniya are those teacher that do have credentials to teach and homeschooling, are they too under attacked?

 2008/3/8 15:23









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Roniya are those teacher that do have credentials to teach and homeschooling, are they too under attacked?



Are you referring to just this specific case or all teachers with credentials who teach their children at home?

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The governor's office said the ruling from the 2nd District Court of Appeal in Los Angeles concluded "[b]all children ages 6 to 18 must attend public or private school full-time until graduation from high school or be tutored at home by a credentialed teacher."[/b]
[url=http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58298]source[/url]



I don't know of cases of credentialed homeschool teachers being attacked, but I haven't researched it. And I don't often hear of cases of 'uncredentialed' teachers being attacked here in America except for California. Each state has their own laws in regards to homeschooling and it varies from state to state. And often if a family doesn't like the laws of that state in regards to homeschooling they will move to a state that is more 'homeschool friendly'.

Compliments, do you think the only way a parent can be qualified for teaching their children is to go through school and get a piece of paper that gives them those credentials?

~Joy :-)

 2008/3/8 16:56
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 Re: Home Schooling California style

First heard this the day it broke on the way home from work. Something didn't quite sit right with the way it was being told. At any rate, here is a bit more to consider;

[url=http://www.hsc.org/appellatedecision]Appellate Court Case, Please Remain Calm[/url] [i]By Debbie Schwarzer HSC legal team co-chair[/i]


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