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deltadom
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Hemel Hempstead

 Can Anybody help me with answers from Scriptures for the Emergant Church heresy?

I need scriptures and quotes telling what the emergant church says and what the bible says?
I need all the information I can get?


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Dominic Shiells

 2008/3/7 8:58Profile
ginnyrose
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 Re: Can Anybody help me with answers from Scriptures for the Emergant Church heresy?

My first reaction to your question is "exactly what doctrine do you want to confront?" Then John 14:6 came to my mind. Jesus says, "I am the Way, the TRUTH and the LIFE, no man cometh to the Father but BY ME." Analyze that for a moment.

Jesus is:

1. The Way....none other.

2. The TRUTH...truth is NOT relative, it is absolute.

3. The LIFE....

And if you want to learn all these things in detail you need to study the life of this man Jesus.

Simple, but few want to do it because they will have to surrender some pet theories, I am afraid.

Blessings,

ginnyrose


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Sandra Miller

 2008/3/7 9:15Profile
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 Re: Can Anybody help me with answers from Scriptures for the Emergant Church heresy?

go to this website.
[url=http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/]http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/[/url]
you can look up just about anything about false doctrine and articles.


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howard

 2008/3/7 10:15Profile









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You might browse through some of these articles on:

http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/cwnsearch.php?

 2008/3/7 10:44









 Re: Can Anybody help me with answers from Scriptures for the Emergant Church heresy?


Don't know if this will help Dom. Hoped so.

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=21259&forum=35&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

 2008/3/7 13:12
deltadom
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Hemel Hempstead

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I need specific things on Doctrinal Quetstions such as Heaven and Hell not just quotes! or articles.
I am dealing with people who think that I am taking the emergant church people out of context, I need prayer that god will convict them!! it is on a worship site!


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Dominic Shiells

 2008/3/7 13:51Profile









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Emergent is not a denomination; nor is it an affiliation of churches on the basis of shared theological commitments. Emergent is a clearing-house for a conversation, an affiliation of friends who, whether as individuals or churches or groups or publishers, want to communicate with one another and explore a vast array of practices and theological concepts.

It's whatever tickles the ears these days!

Katy

 2008/3/7 14:17









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It is sometimes useful to compare the emerging church movement with other Christian movements, which emphasize a similar approach to Christianity and inner experience.

The Taizé Community in France parallels the emergent experience in many ways. Traditional symbols in this community such as candles and crosses have intensified importance in creating subjective feelings. Taizé places a greater emphasis on meditation and the experiences derived from the monastic life than they do upon Scripture. They also embrace a religious pluralism that discards notions of eternal judgment. Within the wider Emerging Church there is a growing exploration of a similar kind of monasticism, known as new-monasticism.

Communities such as "Moot" in the UK and "COTA" in the US are examples.

The Religious Society of Friends, although not born from a conflict with modernism, has nonetheless influenced the emerging church movement through mystics such as Richard Foster.

This influence is often seen in the mystical tendencies of emergent worship and devotion.

Some emerging churches mirror the Quaker rejection of church hierarchy while valuing the sacred as a personal, subjective experience, others utilize their particular denominational structures for church leadership.

The house church movement, which has been partly influenced by the Jesus Movement of the 1960s and 70s, is considered to be a “cousin” of the emerging church movement because of its lack of structure. Most of these house churches, however, are quite different from those in the emerging church movement as they are conservative in their theology and structure.

All four of these groups seek fellowship with likeminded groups and value some subjective traditions and experiences. The emerging church movement stands out by its postmodernism as well as its pluralistic dialog with the surrounding culture.

The emergent methodology which relies upon community activism before propositional evangelism has been advocated by many liberal theologians who find propositional evangelism to be a form of arrogant "theological colonialism."

These theologians tend to reduce the Christian mission to an effort to create a more just world (often through socialism) that is environmentally responsible. In 1917 Walter Rauschenbusch presented a lengthy rationale for this approach to Christian mission in his book A Theology for the Social Gospel.

Theologically, the emerging church movement bears many striking similarities to the theology of neo-evangelical Christians such as Langdon Gilkey and David Tracy, shares many beliefs with the more liberal post-Vatican II Catholic theologians such as Karl Rahner, and can trace much of its roots to the teachings of "postliberals" such as George Lindbeck.

In many ways emergent thought resembles that of the iconoclastic Stanley Hauerwas. Eschatology in the movement closely resembles that found in theologians such as Jürgen Moltmann who advocate the "theology of hope."

The emergent approach to interfaith dialogue is similar to earlier discussions of this kind of dialogue as found in authors such as John Hick as well as the "federalist/universalist" approach to pluralistic theology of Ninian Smart.

Some emergent thinkers have also been deeply influenced by postliberal authors such as Walter Brueggemann and Lesslie Newbigin. Newbigin, especially, along with fellow missiologist David Bosch, offers alternatively nuanced understandings of dialogue which, nevertheless, do embrace a relativistic epistemology.

Emergent ecclesiology is reminiscent of the "religionless Christianity" proposed by some twentieth century thinkers. NT Wright's eschatology, missiology and ecclesiology have also influenced emerging church theology.

Hope this helps.
Katy

 2008/3/7 14:36
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[url=http://www.carm.org/emerging.htm]Here's some stuff by CARM[/url] (Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry) that should provide a thorough overview including doctrines, profiles and quotes from those prominent in the movement.

Also, a lecture by Mark Driscoll as someone who's "been there, done that" [url=http://www.sebts.edu/chapel/getFile.cfm?FileID=396&Download=true]Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary Convergence Conference[/url]

If you want a passage of scripture that you can use to refute experience-oriented belief and subjective interpretation of scripture that the emergent "church" is putting forward, try 2 Peter 1:17-20
17For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,"
18we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain.
19And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts,
20knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.
21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.


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Benjamin Valentine

 2008/3/7 16:04Profile









 it's What's Coming of it that counts


This shows how Diverse this thing is - http://www.faithhousemanhattan.org/faith_house/endorsements.html


[url=http://herescope.blogspot.com/2006/08/one-world-one-faith-one-plan.html]"One World-One Faith - One Plan"[/url]


[url=http://www.inthenameofpurpose.org/page2.html]On-line book - "In the name of Purpose"[/url]


http://www.understandthetimes.org/

[b]The Collapse Of The Emerging Church And The Kingdom Of God[/b]

Comment From Understand The Times:

Expect to see another new wave of deception on the spiritual horizon. A concealed iceberg is about to surface. [See [url=http://blog.beliefnet.com/godspolitics/2008/01/in-search-of-a-label-by-brian.html]BeliefNet Article] [/url]

In the upcoming campaign for a new American president, a coalition of pastors heading up social gospel megachurches, Dominionist Pentecostals, Reconstructionists, and naive Evangelicals will surface planning to take the "kingdom" for Jesus.

These enthusiastic leaders lack spiritual discernment and have no concept of the nearness of the coming of Jesus Christ. They are being drawn into the idea of building the "Kingdom of God" so that Christ can return to a converted earth at some future time.

Similar to Rick Warren's "Purpose Driven" Christianity, the social gospel will be in the forefront for this new alliance of kingdom builders. Those opposing such a view will be considered "narrow-minded," "old-fashioned," "crackpots" who spend more time thinking about the "rapture" than they do about doing good unto others.

Also, I believe we can expect to see the emerging church movement fragmenting and polarizing. A few leaders who have been duped by emergent leaders will see the light and withdraw- others of course, will not. Those who continue down the emerging path will become the pied-pipers of the social gospel program that leads the unsuspecting further towards Rome and Babylon.

The following two items will help you to see what is coming.

The Great Awakening
http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780060558291?&PID=29218


The Collapse of the Emerging Church
http://www.emergentvillage.com/weblog/2008-and-the-collapse-of-the-emerging-church

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