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repentcanada
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Yes Ginnyrose I lived in North Carolina for a time and have friends and family so I know alittle of what is going on.

White, black, asian, etc we all have deceitfully wicked hearts - our sins are just manifest in different ways.

WE MUST BE BORN AGAIN! LORD DO A MIGHTY WORK!

Thanks for the sensitivity Sermon Index, God bless may we live for Christ's Honor and reach lost souls with the Gospel.

 2008/2/9 3:06Profile









 Re: Nevertheless Brother ~

[color=CC3333][b]He Reigns[/b] {lyrics}

It’s the song of the redeemed
Rising from the African plain
It’s the song of the forgiven
Drowning out the Amazon rain
The song of Asian believers
Filled with God’s holy fire
It’s every tribe, every tongue, every nation
A love song born of a grateful choir

It’s all God’s children singing
Glory, glory, hallelujah
He reigns, He reigns
It’s all God’s children singing
Glory, glory, hallelujah
He reigns, He reigns

Let it rise about the four winds
Caught up in the heavenly sound
Let praises echo from the towers of cathedrals
To the faithful gathered underground

Of all the songs sung from the dawn of creation
Some were meant to persist
Of all the bells rung from a thousand steeples
None rings truer than this

And all the powers of darkness
Tremble at what they’ve just heard
‘Cause all the powers of darkness
Can’t drown out a single word

When all God’s children sing out
Glory, glory, hallelujah
He reigns, He reigns
All God’s people singing
Glory, glory, hallelujah
He reigns, He reigns.[/color]

 2008/2/9 3:30
ginnyrose
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You don't mean to suggest that white people or some other people are some how holy do you? Or others? And some others are not?



No, I do not mean that at all. Repentcanada answered your question beautifully. Read it. He expressed it like it is. There is a difference in how people respond to the same things. It is cultural...cannot deny it. I know of Choctaws who were raised in a white, godly home who think, act like their caregivers. So, please do not call me a racist: I love people of all colors. If I can find it I should post a humorous ditty written by a black about 'colored'. Maybe some other person knows what I am talking about and can share it?

As I understand Repent's concern, it is one I also share. He is grieved with his people who are so religious but who support abortion. How can they do it? How can they support presidential candidates who support this murdering business? And this goes for any God-fearing people. But Repentcanada, who ID'd himself as being black shared his concern from a Black's perspective.

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Do you mean Adam's race? We all being made of one blood, and also being all of us guilty and polluted sinners?



We are all from Noah's race which means we are ALL in need of a Savior and no race is naturally more holy then another one. However, on my driver's license my race is listed as it is when census takers count people. I would guess this is true of every driver in the USA. What does your driver's license say? Or are you too young to drive?

Chris, does this answer your questions!

Blessings,

ginnyrose


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 2008/2/9 17:05Profile
ChrisJD
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Hi everyone,


Ginnyrose, thank you for responding to me.


Ginny, what you wrote(that I also posted) was offensive to me. I'm sorry, but this hasn't changed since you responded to me. Maybe the fault is with me.


Thank you again,


Christopher


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 2008/2/9 17:56Profile
ginnyrose
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Chris,

I am at a lost to know what you mean. I mean no offense....if identifying Negroes as a race and whites as a race, Indians as a race...how can you take offense with that? It has not been until in recent years that people have split hairs of the usage of the term 'race' in identifying people according to color. And people are different. Nothing bad about that...just means that when you are aware of this you know better how to relate to them. And I love what people of different races (or color) bring into the mix of social interactions. To recognize it and talk about it is not offensive to southerners, whatever color they be.

Am I mudding the waters more? Brother, I live in the south and get along well with the people that populate our community.

ginnyrose


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Sandra Miller

 2008/2/11 23:17Profile









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Race, its issues , and all of its history and rhetorical consistency as it pertaineth to this country is still most confusing and filled with more disparities now more than ever. But do not think that the Lord Jesus isn't involved with the people or even care about the people who run this country. This is just a general response.

Oh yes he cares more than we think he does, he would love to use either candidates as it pertains to these two people in particular to simply call out to him and pray.

God has no limitations except the ones we Christians or self righteous so called believers put on him

HE cares

Love in Jesus

 2008/2/13 20:32
ChrisJD
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Hi again Ginnyrose,


Ginny, making mention of the lack of holiness among a 'race' seems inflamatory at least?


Maybe there is another way to express these things?


What if these two candiates were to debate each other, and one turned to the other and said


"I hope you are as concerned as I am about the lack of morality among your race."




Chris



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Christopher Joel Dandrow

 2008/2/13 22:34Profile









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Chris... I really wanted to stay out of this one, but I think you're misunderstanding Ginny.

And I am a southerner, so someone is bound to get offended by me on this topic no matter what I say because most folks have a stereotype prejudice about southerners... but hear me out, brother.

Ginny was not saying that the race of a person makes them immoral or moral. Ever heard of "white trash"? I know plenty of immoral, depraved white people.

On the flip side, I know plenty of godly, loving black folks.

In this country, however, there is a problem among the black segment of the population that is perpetuated by the so-called "black leaders". It seems that rather than pull themselves up by their boot straps, many want to blame their condition and position in life on the abuses and horrors of the past.

Slavery was a scourge and an abomination in this country... and I wish it had never happened...

BUT...

I say get over it. (thats not pointed at anyone in this forum... this is just a general statement) No one in this country needs to be held back by anyone else anymore. I know black people who grew up in horrible conditions that fought to rise above it all and have become very successful. Colleges now bend over backwards and award scholarships in order to encourage black students to continue their education. (scholarships not available to white students... isnt that racist? Imagine scholarships only for white students!)

But there is an attitude of entitlement that prevails in the black community... "they owe me". No, I dont owe anyone anything concerning the sins of 5 generations ago. None of us were alive back then... and my ancestors were dirt farmers and mountain people... never saw a slave, much less owned one. And when they fought in that war they fought to protect hearth and home... not some politicians dream to keep the aristocrats rich.

My point is... it's not the race. Color of skin means nothing. Ask Moses, who's wife was Ethiopian.

It's the leadership, and the prevailing attitude that leads to what we see in the black community.

And real men like Bill Cosby have begun to speak out about this very thing I am saying... and the so-called "black leaders" have nearly wanted to crucify him. But Bill Cosby is exactly right.

I'm not letting the white population off the hook either. But since we're addressing the black community here, thats what I am addressing. Whites have no excuse for the excesses and sins and immorality that is rampant among them as well.

It's a people problem... it's a sin problem... black, white, hispanic, etc.

Krispy

 2008/2/14 7:55
repentcanada
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 Re: Barack Obama & Hillary Clinton: The Blind Leading the Blind

This initial post had little to do with skin color, gender, or even politics but predominantly the mass killing of children via abortion...........I think that is the greatest concern that so few within the church talk and want to deal with that on.

Krispy, yes you are from the South but have you ever read the book "Black like Me" where a white man dyed his skin and lived as a black man for a period of time? It really opened his eyes. Understanding the plight of a people is sometimes hard to fully comprehend from the outside....

There was a question posed earlier in the thread which stated something like, "have abortions declined in the post Clinton era" since Bush got into office. Does anyone have much information on this?

I know here in Canada our new Prime Minister alledgely is a Christian yet from my understanding since he has come into power nothing has changed as far as abortion legislation. Sad - very, very sad

 2008/2/14 8:20Profile
ccchhhrrriiisss
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Hi repentcanada...

I sent a PM to Taco a couple of days ago in regard to his question. Here is that post (with a few added statements):

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Have there been less abortions in America since Bush became president?

I wanted to answer earlier, but I didn't want to answer within a political thread that might provoke heavy debate.

Abortion rates have declined every year during the Bush Administration. While the American population has increased quite a bit since abortion was made legal in 1973 (from slightly over 200 Million to slightly over 300 Million), the rate of abortions have dropped steadily since 1990. The steepest drop came in the first half of the 1990s, when the Republicans first took over Congress and quickly removed federal funding for abortion (instituted by the Clinton Administration).

By 2005, abortion decreased to a rate of 19.4 (per 1000 women). This is a steep decline from the high of 29.3 (per 1000 women) in 1980-81 and the 27.9 (per 1000 women) in 1990. What makes this figure more impressive is that it includes the "easy abortion pills" (like RU-486) that were legalized during the Clinton Administration.

While several groups would like to claim credit for this decline (including abstinence-based sex education in many states), it probably doesn't hurt to have had a conservative Congress from the early 1990s until last year. I shudder to think about the amount of unborn murders that will take place since the liberal infusion of Congress last year (including the promise by the Democratic Party platform of eased restrictions on abortion) along with the prospect of a Democratic president -- in which both Hillary and Barack Hussein Obama have promised wider abortion rights.

Yet science has also ironically been on the side of anti-abortion advocates. Years ago, abortion rights advocates did their best to make people think that an unborn baby is not alive. The media repeatedly used the favorite liberal word to describe an unborn baby -- fetus. Medical science, however, has allowed for great advances in treating children before they are born (including surgery). Consequently, more Americans have realized that an unborn child is a highly developed living human being. The only difference between MURDER and an ABORTION is simply a few inches of flesh.

So liberals have turned to their original argument -- the one that has the least chance of surviving in the Supreme Court. Abortion rights advocates once again claim that abortion is protected by the "right to privacy." This is amazing, because the "right to privacy" in Roe v. Wade had NOTHING to do with what a woman can do to her body (the government still prohibits suicide and murder -- even in the "privacy" of one's own home). Roe v. Wade dealt with the legality of a doctor's personal advice in regard to alternatives to pregnancy (especially in regard to traveling to states where it was legal). The only precedent that was cited was Griswold v. Connecticut.

Anyway, abortion rates and the number of abortions performed [u]have[/u] declined over the past decade -- even though the population has increased. I've included a few links at the bottom. I hope this helps.

Seeking His Face,
-Chris
Matthew 5:8
Jeremiah 29:11-13
Exodus 33:10-11

[url=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18183734]NPR story: Abortion Rate Falls to 30-year Low[/url]

[url=http://www.npr.org/templates/common/image_enlargement.php?imageResId=18189650]Chart depicting drops in abortion[/url]

[url=http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=272870]Stateline article: Abortion Rates Down, Restrictions Up[/url]

[url=http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1705604,00.html]Time Magazine: Why Have Abortion Rates Fallen?[/url]

[url=http://www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5404a6.htm]Center for Disease Control (CDC): Pregnancy, Birth, and Abortion Rates* for Teenagers Aged 15--17 Years --- United States, 1976--2003[/url]

[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-abortion_17jan17,0,4219530.story]Chicago Tribune: Abortions at 30-year Low[/url]

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-01-16-abortion-rates_N.htm]USA Today: Overall Abortion Rate Continues to Drop[/url]

:-)


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