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BlazedbyGod
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 Doctrine of Inclusivism

There is ongoing thread on here called " Who did Christ Die For"- many people in that thread believe Christ died for all the people to ever be born, and others believe that Christ died exclusively for the Church-well, what I want to ask or put out there today is:

What do people who believe that Christ died for all the sins of all the people to ever live or be born-think about the "DOCTRINE OF INCLUSIVISM"-especially from the standpoint of how former world renowned preacher " Carolton Pearson" preaches it.

Pearson, says that EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS SAVED ALREADY-they just don't know it, and that there is no literal, real place of fire burning brimstone called Hell.

He also made a statement, that even if never accepted Christ as Lord and been born again-that at death ALL will still be redeemned.

As crazy as that sounds, I have heard some people on this site allude to that very same type of belief-to which would even include Judas Iscariot, the Antichrist, and the false prophet.

 2008/2/7 9:59Profile









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Hi BlazedbyGod,

This may be my last post in your thread, but here's my 2c.

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Pearson, says ... and that there is no literal, real place of fire burning brimstone called Hell.

He can't prove that, and we have the word of God through Jesus Christ, which strongly suggests there is something bad to happen to those who choose to do evil.

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Pearson, says that EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS SAVED ALREADY-they just don't know it,

That's why the [i]knowledge[/i] of Jesus Christ keeps being mentioned, which is implicit in Romans 10:8 - 12, as in

Peter 1:2
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, [u]and of Jesus our Lord[/u],

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He also made a statement, that even if never accepted Christ as Lord and been born again-that at death ALL will still be redeemned.

Hebrews 9
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [i]which are[/i] the figures of the true; [u]but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God [b]for us[/b][/u]:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 [b]And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this [u]the judgment[/u][/b]:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


Zacharias prophesied this about his son, John, who became the Baptist:

Luke 1
76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77 [b]To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins[/b],
78 [b]Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,[/b]
79 [b]To give light to them that sit in darkness and [i]in[/i] the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace[/b].


This has to be tied in with additional statements in scripture about God giving light (to the Gentiles well) and James' and John's declaration of God the Father being Light, and Jesus being Light.

God wants people to have 'light' to be able to [i]see[/i] first their sins, and then, to [u]recognise the Saviour[/u] He has provided for their salvation, if they will believe and repent.


There can be no secret salvation, or 'saved' who didn't appropriate God's offer in a personal way. Then, He sends the Holy Spirit into their hearts, crying 'Father', so they may begin to walk in newness of life as new creatures.

2 Corinthians 5
17 Therefore if any man [i]be[/i] in Christ, [i]he is[/i] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things [i]are[/i] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;...


How can a person get into Christ and become a new creature, washed from all sin, free to serve God and rejoicing in the light, [u]and not know[/u] about it?

 2008/2/7 18:31
LiveforGod
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 Re: Doctrine of Inclusivism

Hello BlazedbyGod.

"DOCTRINE OF INCLUSIVISM"

First Time I read of this. Never before Had I herd it.

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Pearson, says that EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS SAVED ALREADY-they just don't know it, and that there is no literal, real place of fire burning brimstone called Hell.



Well, I think most of us here in sermon index knows How False all of that is. Again, That is what Pearson says, not what God says. Oh Im afraid that things are Going to get worst than this. Oh, what great damage have men done to souls by twisting Scripture. May God give us more of his Spirit to Desern Spiritual things form the Works of the Flesh and of Men.

Oh, How perverted has Christianity now days become. The sad thing is that the poor Ignorant people belive all the things that a man with Reputation may tell them. When is all of this Going to Stop? I do not know, all I know is that The USA needs a revival, a mighty revival to clense all the filthiness found. May God send us that Revival, wich only he can bring with his Spirit.


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 2008/2/7 18:55Profile
Miccah
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Blasphemy


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Christiaan

 2008/2/7 19:07Profile









 Re: Doctrine of Inclusivism

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Pearson, says that EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS SAVED ALREADY-they just don't know it, and that there is no literal, real place of fire burning brimstone called Hell.

I only want to comment on the first part of Pearson's statement, "Every single person is saved already".

I wouldn't be so bold as to acknowledge that, but I would rather use New Testament wording instead of his.
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Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

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1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.



For Pearson to believe that all are saved, he is a Universalist.

 2008/2/7 19:40









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By God' help,
Jesus says,`Jn. 3:7 `ye must be Born again.'
Born of the Spirit
Then in Rom.8:9,Paul says:Now if any man have not the Spirit,he is NONE OF HIS.
Rom.8:14 For as many as are LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD,..` THEY ARE' the sons of God.

Grace be to all who will follow Jesus,
and sinners to be drawn by His grace.
Ebeth

 2008/2/11 15:34





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