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 Re: THE HOLOCAUST AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS


ironwood said

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They want Joe Public to believe that if someone exposes Zionism of the Herzl ilk that they are in the same breath attacking Jews. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is a relief to find an American who can explain this without being accused of being anti-Semitic. Other's have tried to make this point before, but been met with that very cry :-(

 2008/1/9 16:11
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This week, the UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offended' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred.



What other history will be removed, the holocaust is known history. I have not offended enough muslims in the uk. Why do we worry about offending Muslims.

Is forgetting history making history reoccur!! Will a holocaust happen in the uk


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 2008/1/9 18:01Profile
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Politicains have lost their careers by just suggesting something contrary to AIPAC's wishes.



Hey Ironwood. I do enjoy your posts. Very thought provoking.

Do you have any sources for this statement?

Thanks in advance again :-)


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 2008/1/9 18:08Profile
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Politicains have lost their careers by just suggesting something contrary to AIPAC's wishes.

Miccah asks:
"Do you have any sources for this statement?"

"Virtually everyone of our representatives are subservient to the same lobbies, passing on average 100 resolutions per year favorable to Israel and written by the lobbyists, obsequiously fawning before AIPAC's annual meeting where its very existence is touted as of "significant benefit for both the United States and Israel," and where no one dares to question or criticize the state of Israel lest they suffer the fate of those who have, and lose their seats in Congress. This one might argue is coercion. Can it be documented? One need only research the congressional and senate races that put Paul Findley, Cynthia McKenny, Charles Percy and the few other renegades that dared to be critical of Israel out of their positions. "The handful of members of Congress who have been critical of Israel over the last 40 years have been publicly chastised with a figurative dunce cap or, worse, lost their seats to AIPAC-backed opponents" (NewsMax.com, May 1, 2006. "Israel the Third Rail of American Foreign Policy," Arnaud de Borchgrava, Editor at large of the Washington Times).

http://www.counterpunch.org/cook10052007.html


"By blindly following AIPAC, Congress reinforces a hard-line consensus: Criticizing Israeli actions, even in the best of faith, is anti-Israel and possibly anti-Semitic; enthusiastically backing whatever military action Israel undertakes is the only acceptable stance."
~Ari Berman
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060814/aipacs_hold

Here is a video documentary about AIPAC:

http://ru.truveo.com/Documentary-The-Israel-lobby-The-influence-of/id/4021037870

Politicians Paul Findley, Cynthia McKenny and Charles Percy were critical about some of Israels policies and paid the price for it. They did not criticise Judaism but politicians are labeled anti-semites if they oppose "The Lobby".

This is not good for Israel or the US.







 2008/1/10 1:10Profile
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Hi Ironwood,

I just looked at some of the websites and references that you listed. One question kept popping in my mind. Would Jesus read this stuff?

In America, you have a right to your opinion and beliefs, and I respect that right. But all I see on these sites is scary. Look at CounterPunch. What do you see listed in the boook section? anti-Bush, anti-Israel, anti-troops, anti-local/state government, BUT pro-Chavez, pro-Cuba, pro-socialism, pro-unmarried sex, pro-Beatles and a neutral book about Bears (the furry kind).

Besides the bear book, all I see on this site is messages of hate being given. As believers, should we open ourselves up to this kind of filth?

[u][b]1 Corinthians 15:33 [/b][/u]
Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.”

I hope you have, but if not, seriously pray on this. Go to that secret place and see what the Lord tells you. Its humbling, but turn this over to the Lord. He will always lead straight. :-)


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 Re: THE HOLOCAUST AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS


Miccah asked

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Would Jesus read this stuff?

Brother, isn't that rather like asking if He agreed with how the Pharisees portrayed God? It doesn't mean there is no truth in what is being published, but one needs a clear idea of the edges of truth, to recognise that which is not.

I agree that it may be a matter of maturity or calling, which allows some people to deal in certain areas of life without themselves being polluted, while others faced with the same situation feel thoroughly compromised or contaminated. It's a matter of, 'if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!'

Any worldly site is likely to accept non-Christian values, but it doesn't mean that the integrity of reporting or analysis should be doubted. In fact, because they are writing against the system, there is greater onus on them [i]not[/i] to exaggerate their findings. Even non-Christians have an eye for truth, desires towards righteousness, personal honour and aspirations.

If freedom of the press means anything, this kind of reporting is quite okay. We have a magazine which uses the underbelly of current events as a platform for its satirical take on truth, and believe me, that kind of black humour is harder to digest; although we did have a member on SI a while ago who pointed out that satire was used by OT prophets, (I'm not sure which ones - before you ask), I don't find this justifies my indulgence in secular versions of it, as a Christian.

 2008/1/10 6:13
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Miccah wrote:
"I just looked at some of the websites and references that you listed"

I do the same thing. I obviously don't agree with everything on these websites. I was referencing AIPAC and I understand that these are not "Christian" sites.

I would much rather prefer finding a Christian website to reference when I can. I'm really not trying to be sarcastic but should I go to a "Christian" site such as Hagee and Co. to find objective references on AIPAC? Hagee refuses to mention the saving name of Jesus at conferences such as CUFI. He is an AIPAC darling. He doesn't even believe in evangelizing Jews.

I will just mention only one more example since I don't want to derail the thread subject:

You mentioned Hugo Chavez. Chavez is obviously not a poster boy for righteousness but do Christians really know what is behind the demonization of him in the American press?

Hugo witnessed the horrors of "Reaganomics" in Central and South America. Deomocratically elected leaders were assasinated and thug dictators who were favorable to American imperialism were put in their place via trained terrorist graduates of the School of the Americas. Hugo refuses to play the game so the American press, which is obedient to those who own them, demonizes him. It is very hard to find a Christian news website that will even bring up these subjects.

Should I go to Pat Robertson's website? He called for the assasination of Chavez. He also used donated money to fly humanitarian missions in Africa. He was a friend of the brutal dictator Mobutu and several of the "humanitarian missions" were actually used to fly mining equipment to his diamond mine.

Have you ever heard of Venezeulan Gustavo Dudamel? At age 26 he was chosen to lead the Los Angelus Philharmonic Symphony. He is a product of Chavez's "evil regime".

This is not anti-American. I love my country even though I am a pilgrim passing through. My permanent home is heaven.

I am also a friend of the Jews. Corrie ten Boom is our family heroine. Four times I have been to the the "Beje", the house where she grew up in.
I will expose the enemies of the Jews. Some of their enemies call themselves Jews. AIPAC, the B'nai Brith, Anti Defamation League are among them. They militantly push their agenda for a "Jew only" secular Holy Land and cover their bloody tracks as they call those who would cry out for justice for the Palestinians "Jew Haters". Would Jesus condone the forcing of an entire people in to squalid refugee camps? Especially in a nation as wealthy as Israel?

Isreal gets more US aide than any other country yet she is the only country that does not have to account for how they spend their aide. Israel has had a nuclear arsenal as early as the 1960's
yet she is not held accountable for it as other countries are.

This is not being anti-Israel. It does not help the Jews to turn a blind eye to what Israel does. To do so actually foments hatred among the international community.

Was Jesus being a "Jew Hater" when he called some of their leaders a brood of vipers? Of course not.

Enough of my rantings and ravings.

We should be in prayer for all peoples for Jesus went to Calvary for all peoples. The Jews, the Palestinians and all other peoples. Even for the globalists. We have two enemies. Our flesh and the devil. I have set my heart to be about my Father's business. Along the way He shows me what is really going on on. Not everything of course! I am still learning. Things are not the way they seem. I strive to be able to hear the voice of my Shepherd. Some others may say the same things as my Shepherd but the voice is different and I don't recognize it.

It is paramount that as the darkness and deception grows that we do not let our love grow cold.

Blessings

ironwood




 2008/1/10 8:11Profile









 Re: THE HOLOCAUST AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS



ironwood said

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Things are not the way they seem.

This is the beginning of making sense of much which goes unsaid, but is neither invisible nor unreal.

 2008/1/10 10:06









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These organizations are no friend to the Jews. Hundreds of thousands of Jews see what is going on but their voices are ignored in the press.

This is true. There is a worldwide organization called, "[url=http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/]Jews Against Zionism[/url]" who believe that Jews do not belong in Palestine, they have been in exile and remain in exile because of disobedience. They know there is no scripture in the bible that speaks of their return.

It's funny though, my Christians brothers don't see the same thing as they do. The JAZ are right!

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Things are not the way they seem.

You are very right sir.

 2008/1/10 10:32
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Things are not the way they seem.

This is the beginning of making sense of much which goes unsaid, but is neither invisible nor unreal.



Well, when you guys get to the bottom of this thing, be sure to let us all know. ;-)

MC


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