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I agree with you

i asked another brother this yesterday, I know Jesse how you stand theologically, but according to calvinism...does a baby or infant or child that dies go to hell if it is not of the elect?


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 2007/11/18 16:11Profile
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 Re: The Doctrine of Holiness

Interesting stuff!

I believe paul considered these things (His Former LIfe of pursueing complete perfection by works)DUNG.

I would rather have the Imputed Holiness Jesus gives to those who freely come to him by Faith.

 2007/11/18 16:24Profile









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An unsaved person cannot stop sinning before they come to Christ. First they have to have knowledge that they have sin, than they repent which means:

Fruits of Repentance:
#1 recognize through the law you have sin
#2 have conviction
#3 Turn to God for forgiveness
#4 turn from that sin

Can you skip #3? Should #3 be #4 instead and visa versa? No.

True holiness is complete and total trust in the finished work of Christ.



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glorytoglory wrote:
An unsaved person cannot stop sinning before they come to Christ. First they have to have knowledge that they have sin, than they repent which means:

Fruits of Repentance:
#1 recognize through the law you have sin
#2 have conviction
#3 Turn to God for forgiveness
#4 turn from that sin

Can you skip #3? Should #3 be #4 instead and visa versa? No.

True holiness is complete and total trust in the finished work of Christ.







Also, you cannot skip #1. There is more to the law than the 10 commandments. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the apostles built upon that.

Add to your faith, virtue and to virtue more knowledge...


2 Peter 1:5-6
5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;


How are we changed into His image? By adding virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience and Godliness. That is what the bible means by going from glory to glory.

2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


We are saved by grace through our Lord Jesus Christ but we still have the need to increase. He must increase and I must decrease.

1 Thessalonians 4:9-10
But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

10And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;


I cannot increase if I do not know I am lacking. If I am lacking than sin is present with me. The only difference is that I have on His robe of righteousness so in God's eyes I have no sin. Until I have knowledge of my sin I am not guilty of that sin. Once that sin is revealed to me I am accountable.



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Add to your faith virtue. Virtue is the result of faith. Virtue is what came out of Jesus that caused the woman with the issue of blood to be healed. Faith without walking in it is dead. When you walk in it there is virtue but then you need to add more knowledge.


Mark 5:30
And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?


2 Peter 1:5-6
5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;


Add to your knowledge temperance. Another word for temperance is moderation meaning not in access. Too much knowledge without properly applying that knowledge can lead you to error.

To that temperance you have to add patience. Let patience have her perfect work that you may be perfect and entire wanting nothing.

To patience add Godliness which is spiritual maturity in the Greek. The only way to have spiritual maturity or Godliness is by applying what you have learned and by being accountable to God and others.

Thoughts or comments welcome...

 2007/11/18 19:44









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2 Peter 1:3
3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:


When we do these things we bring God glory and virtue flows out from our lives. Everything around us is effected by our obedience.

We are called to glory and virtue.





 2007/11/18 21:23
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We are called to glory and virtue.





1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.


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 2007/11/18 22:38Profile









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I Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner
of conversation;
1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

 2007/11/19 9:28









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Romans 8:1-3

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

When we are walking after the spirit we may sin unintentionally. The scripture says that the law is WEAK THROUGH THE FLESH. When Jesus came in the flesh He conquered sin in the flesh. So what we are not able to conquer (the law) in the flesh Jesus conquered for us. Our spirit is willing but our flesh is weak. There is no condemnation to those who have a willing spirit.



I also did a study a long time ago on what it meant to be perfect and I found alot of verses that spoke of having a perfect heart.



Matthew 23:26
26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.


Perfect Heart:
1 Kings 8:61
Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.

1 Kings 11:4
For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

11 Kings 15:3
And he walked in all the sins of his father, which he had done before him: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father.

1 Kings 15:14
But the high places were not removed: nevertheless Asa's heart was perfect with the LORD all his days.

2 Kings 20:3
I beseech thee, O LORD, remember now how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.

1 Chronicles 12:38
All these men of war, that could keep rank, came with a perfect heart to Hebron, to make David king over all Israel: and all the rest also of Israel were of one heart to make David king.

1 Chronicles 28:9
And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

1 Chronicles 29:9
Then the people rejoiced, for that they offered willingly, because with perfect heart they offered willingly to the LORD: and David the king also rejoiced with great joy.

1 Chronicles 29:19
And give unto Solomon my son a perfect heart, to keep thy commandments, thy testimonies, and thy statutes, and to do all these things, and to build the palace, for the which I have made provision.

2 Chronicles 15:17
But the high places were not taken away out of Israel: nevertheless the heart of Asa was perfect all his days.


Man looks on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart.


1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.


 2007/11/19 10:51









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King David had a perfect heart the bible says even though David sinned. David commited murder and adultery. A christian can commit murder and adultery by having just one thought about either. You did not intend on having a thought of hate or adultery. It was not your intention but it happened. This was what happened to David. David had a perfect heart and when he was confronted with his sin he realized what he had done and repented of his sin.

Someone who continually has hate and adultery in their heart needs to examine whether or not they are in the faith because murderers and adulterers will not enter into the kingdom of God. I am not speaking of physically murdering someone or physically commiting adultery. A person who goes to those two extremes is not saved at all. Following through with an act such is that is not the mark of a saved man.This is the difference between old testament and new.

A better covenant means that more is required of us but God equips us by His spirit. We are a new creation the old is gone and the new has come.

David was a man who communed with his heart:

Psalm 4:4
Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah.

Psalm 77:6
I call to remembrance my song in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search.


When we are weak in the flesh this is where we struggle in keeping the law:



Romans 8:3
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:



But Jesus came in the flesh and condemned sin in the flesh. What the law could not do for David Jesus did for us.




2 Samuel 12:1-13

1And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.

2The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:

3But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.

4And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.

5And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:

6And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.

7And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

8And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

9Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

10Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

11Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

12For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

13And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

 2007/11/19 11:58





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