what was Adam to become?
_________________Sandra Miller
Thank you ginnyrose. Let me begin with answering your statement here:
When Elohim made Adam, he was made in His image. Since this was the case, he could not have been made more perfect.
Does God make anything imperfect? Methinks God made Him exactly like he wanted him to be because this is the nature of God. And who am I to question this? ginnyrose
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Ormly,Procreation produces natural flesh. New birth or being born again quickens and creates a new spirit. Resurrection and glorification produce flesh that can survive the presence of God. Procreation in humans can produce nor result in perfect flesh. That is why resurrection and glorification is required.
whyme wrote:Ormly,Procreation produces natural flesh. New birth or being born again quickens and creates a new spirit. Resurrection and glorification produce flesh that can survive the presence of God. Procreation in humans can produce nor result in perfect flesh. That is why resurrection and glorification is required.
Ormly wrote:Quote:whyme wrote:Ormly,Procreation produces natural flesh. New birth or being born again quickens and creates a new spirit. Resurrection and glorification produce flesh that can survive the presence of God. Procreation in humans can produce nor result in perfect flesh. That is why resurrection and glorification is required.None of which would have been necessary if Adam had not transgressed and had progressed in becoming what God had intended, i.e., perfection out of innocence instead of perfection out of a new born life, which is now the only way it can be accomplished. Think about that part of it.
Orm,I cannot believe you can answer a post with one word! What's wrong with you, cat got your tongue (or fingers)?Now I think you owe everyone here a detailed explanation of what you meant in your original post. And keep it short, to the point and do not speak in riddles! :-P ginnyrose
ginnyrose wrote:Orm,I cannot believe you can answer a post with one word! What's wrong with you, cat got your tongue (or fingers)?Now I think you owe everyone here a detailed explanation of what you meant in your original post. And keep it short, to the point and do not speak in riddles! :-P ginnyrose
Ginnyrose wrote:
Adam was never divine nor of the same substance as Elohim, but a creation.
What would have ensued had Adam not sinned can only be left to the imagination because the Scriptures do not tell us this.
God in his foreknowledge knew man would sin so had made plans to redeem him before the event ever took place.
Now that the individual can be redeemed, it means his standing with God will be similar to Adam's through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
And how this is being lived out is totally dependant on my yieldedness to this voice of the Spirit: do I choose to do things my way, or am I willing to follow him, even when things do not look promising, sensible or logical - from my vantage point. God wants to have a working, loving relationship with us, not just save a soul from hell.
Sometime ago I was struck with the OT's prophets walk with the LORD - and they lived before Pentecost! And I thought why are there so few like that today then decided if there are few it is because people are not yeilded to Him - it is not God's fault but ours, mine. So I started to ask the LORD to speak to me so I will know it is Him (and speak LOUDLY), and to teach me to recognize his voice when he speaks. Sir, I am still in kindergarten in my learning here...I have lots of Biblical knowledge but I want a relationship that will tell me how to do things in my everyday walk of life. And he is teaching me - the problem is me. So I can see he is very patient, but I must not presume upon it either: he is so holy. So at any time during the day I can in my spirit ask God which? where? how? and unless he answers immediately, I know to take the logical route. If he suggests something else that is out of my range of common sense, I will do it in act of faith.
This is what walking with the LORD is about, IMHO.I feel very vulnerable now having said all this...but this is what I see God wants from all of us and I suspect we are all in one stage or another of this. Some have not realized this to be possible and needed to be instructed and others are growing in it...My understanding of this issue...do not know if this what you had in mind...