sermonindex wrote:To be frankly honest with you brother, I am seeking to be Baptised with the Holy Spirit for service, I want a revelation of the depth of God's love so that I may be filled with the fulness of God. There is a holy-disatisfication within me and a despertness to seek God. But that does not imply that I go out and accept everything and what everyone is saying is what God is doing. I am seeking Him in the closet and each day goes by and God is blessing me and bringing me closer to Him and His purposes for my life.Its a desperate time brother and this requires desperate actions. The Church needs to seek Him as never before. Extreme situations require extreme measures. God will show Himself strong in those who seek Him with all their heart. Satan is very active in all this and He knows that those who are AWAKE in the Church are trying to fetch strength from God, He is offering many easy roads and substitutes which are not necessarily from Him but ARE not God's best. The disciples were filled with the Spirit when Jesus breathed on them in the room. But they didn't go out in that revelation and walk in God. THEY NEEDED the fulness of God, an overwhelming enduement of God's power and a lostness in the purposes of God. Church seek this!
I'd like to refer to J Edwin Orr and Charles Finney, who both cited that revivals can be prone to excesses. Orr mentioned reports that the Welsh revival promoted promiscuity, and bankrupcy. Upon investigation, the promiscuity claim was based on 1 instance, and the bankrupcy was the result of taverns closing down. There are a collection of references to "excesses" at the start of the thread. Realise that these are from a "move of God" that has been going for over 10 years. I am not saying that this is a genuine move of God, simply stating that we need to be wise in our interpretation of events taking place in the body of christ.
Hello brothers, First let me greet you properly in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Secondly let me say how excited I am that we can have discussions hopefully stirring one another on towards the prize and even more so as the day draws near. It would be easy for me not to respond to your post about my post and just move on with my life but I feel as though that I would miss out on an opportunity to grow. My apologies to anyone I might have offended because of my lack of research, I was simply responding to a great number of negative post about Toronto in a seemingly one sided attack. I do however agree whole heartedly with your perception of a church any church new or big or small, organized or house that does not focus on the blessing of the Fathers heart and the Will of the Father. And I also believe that churches world wide share problems big and small mostly because they do not realize who they are in Christ. By that I plainly mean that they do not understand that they died on the cross with Christ and that they are new creation because Christ resides in them just like resided in Mary his mother in the womb. Now saying that whilst in Toronto I did notice that there was a lack of wanting to grow and move beyond the manifestations into the Manifestor, by that I mean getting deep into Christ and the Father. The manifestations in themselves are fine if they draw you closer to God, if not then they are doing nothing more than ministering to the flesh and who really cares about the dead flesh anyways its time has come and passed. But anything can minister to the flesh whether it be through physical sensation (like Toronto) or like fine oration (Pentecostal churches), that is not to be critical but it is to point it out and to make no distinction between organizations. I love church history and I am intrigued to say the least by the healing revivals that took place between the years of 1850-1950 starting of course with Mr Dowie and completing its course in 1954 when God spoke to Paul Cain that he was running a rat race and even if he won the race he was still a rat. It is my belief that those revivals would have kept going strong until the end of the age IF the ministers involved had had a revelation of the fathers heart for themselves and IF the body as a whole would have grasped a hold of the fact that GOD IS NO RESPECTOR OF MEN and that the anointing that William Branham had was available to all because all have Christ in them. Being in Toronto first hand and being there during the Gold teeth deal I can honestly say that some it was crap and some of it was real. Some of it actually drove people to see how real and how much the Father loved them and others they just wanted to see a magic act, but nothing wouldve changed there hearts anyways. Now to answer the question did Toronto ever rebuked anyone I can say yes, and her name is Sylvania something (cant remember her last name), she was the woman from Columbia that had gold dust falling out of her hair, she prayed for me and I discerned that she loved Jesus. Toronto was more focused on the fact that the metal falling out of her hair wasnt Gold. The fact is they didnt know what it was. My biggest problem with Toronto and all organized churches for that matter is, that the congregations want the leaders to do everything for them(20% of the church does 80% of the work) and with the leadership is that when somebody actually hears to do something from God they dont want them to do it unless the church can regulate it. That is what happened in Toronto and that is why the blessing never went out into the streets and that is why the congregation never got passed the child stage. So you guys are right and I totally agree with your observation of the church on many stands, but I see no reason to have 8 negative posts in a row about why it is wrong. God bless you and keep seeking HIM I know we will see heaven and I hope that we can carry on discussions that spur one another on towards the prize. Thank you so much for providing a place where people can go and get sermons. It has blessed me immensely I know that you guys are going to be a resource center in the upcoming move of God. Bless your ministry. Andy
Interesting reading on the balance required by people involved in the "moves of God" can be found in Michael L Browne's "From Holy Laughter to Holy Fire", and Rick Joyner's Vision Trilogy "The Final Quest", "The Call", and "The Sword and the Shield".Also, look toward Brownesville AOG in Florida, as this was hailed as the "move of God", coupled with the "correct human reponse" of repentance and obedience.
when one associates himself with any movement (ie morning star, campus crusade) he runs the risk of pulling his identity from that movement(denomination, house church) and to cease being focused on the one that truly matters. Mens kingdoms become more important than Gods. Keeping the movement/denomination going is more important than loving the king. If we truly are going to be christ like(the true gospel) then we must keep our eyes on Christ and HIS AGENDA. You know when i left my church to join a house church 5 years ago my pastor flipped out on me because i was going into a place of no boundaries. He said that just because there were problems with the current church I shouldnt turn my back on it. I have had the opportunity now over the past 5 years to ponder those words and i had to look through History and the bible to see if any such times of changes exsisted and i believe i have found two examples. first being peter and john and who out and out disobeyed the Pharisees(acts 5:28) when they preached jesus in the temple. second Martin Luthers 95 thesis, if we should sit in submission to the current leadership how come we are not all under the Pope right now? i have read the criticsms of rick joyner and the "kansas city prophets" and i will weigh them out carefully. i ask that you do the same with my thoughts. We do need to weigh everything against the word and trust the HOLY SPIRIT to guide us to truth. BTW a great book on david and saul is Tale of Three Kings by gene edwards(it's more like an allegory than a historical document).