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rookie
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Brother Phillip wrote:

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Not saved and then lost. Salvation is eternally in God's hands not mans. These were never called they just lived in the neighborhood and wanted to belong, but could not.



How do you know that you are not in the neighborhood and wanted to belong, but could not?

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Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2007/8/9 4:11Profile
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Lazarus1719 wrote:
If the elect fall into adultery and murder (as David did) or actually deny the Lord (as Peter did) are they still saved while committing adultery and murder, are they still saved while they deny the Lord?

Specifically, what sins can the elect commit and still be eternally secure? What sins can the elect commit without storing up God's wrath, but can commit while still having the forgiveness of God?



"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened....if they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance".
If David fell from grace when he commited adultery, did he write Ps 51 in an unsaved condition, just before he slipped into hell? If Peter fell when he deneyed Christ, then who wrote the epistles of 1st and 2nd Peter? An unregenerate man on his way to everlasting destruction? (God forbid)
What is a great sin? Or a small one? Indeed, the very thought of foolishness is called sin by God. The thought of lust toward a woman is called adultery. Since salvation, have you never had a sinfull thought that you had to cast down, and cry out for the blood of Christ to cover? What then is the pupose of 1 John 2:1-2? Good poetry, perhaps?


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Aaron

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Not saved and then lost. Salvation is eternally in God's hands not mans. These were never called they just lived in the neighborhood and wanted to belong, but could not.



I don't mean to be rude, but brother, what you've said of God defies all natural and revealed sense of love and goodness!


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Matthew Miskiewicz

 2007/8/9 8:11Profile
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Lazarus1719 wrote:
If the elect fall into adultery and murder (as David did) or actually deny the Lord (as Peter did) are they still saved while committing adultery and murder, are they still saved while they deny the Lord?

Specifically, what sins can the elect commit and still be eternally secure? What sins can the elect commit without storing up God's wrath, but can commit while still having the forgiveness of God?




The answer to your question is obvious, the sins that a believer can commit and still be forgiven are those that Christ's blood are sufficient to cover. As far as I know from Scripture, the only unforgivable sin during this life is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

 2007/8/9 8:33Profile





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